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That's fine. Nobody wants Ukraine to have nuclear weapons.
Give them to them now. Let's see if Russia is still so eager to invade then.
I am cool with ukraine having nukes and participating in the western world order. Same with Finland, for example.
The ugly reality here is that there is a struggle to establish the coming world order. You get the West or you get China and the blyats. Choose.
Tri- or Quad-polar order I think.
We're going to see China / EU / US / Latin America
Russia wants to be their own part of that, but now they are under China. They clearly aren't strong enough to stand on their own if little Ukraine is fighting them to a stand still.
The "coming world order" will be much more complicated.
We are going towards a multipolar world. India is in the mix. South America gets in the mix as the US declines. The Middle East could get in the mix if it wasn't consistently destabilized by the West and Russia.
The EU countries need to free themselves from aligning alongside the US or Russia, establishing the EU as a unified power bloc. Especially as "the West" is very much for sale with Trump and the other US Republicans, but also the US Democrats using Europe as an extension of US interests is weakening it.
It is in the EUs best interest to reestablish Ukraines territorial integrity. As the US lets itself get dragged into another great war in West Asia through Israel, US support for Ukraine will be getting less and pushing for a ceasefire on the basis of handing territory to Russia becomes more likely. Also the US setting West Asia ablaze with Israel will result in a new number of refugees that will dwarf the Syrian civil war and other crisis of the 2010 years.
The West is falling apart as the US declines. But China and Russia also aren't the best buddies and they no longer share the same ideology. Both countries are riddled with internal problems, most notably a huge demographic bomb. Same for the EU, not so much the US yet.
Best thing EU can do is grow together, establish not only a single market, but an united European army and foreign policy. The EU should also develop a mechanism that existing nuclear weapons in the EU, which now only is France, but maybe again UK at some point, become part of a joint European nuclear deterrence.
This is indeed complex, but your comment is full of conjecture, and you seem not to realize that the UK possesses nuclear SLBMs.
But the UK aren't part of the EU.
Fair enough, but i doubt seriously that a war in Europe doesn’t involve the UK.
The comment is not about war really, it is about power factions (hopefully) equalizing each other. The UK has, for the time being, chosen to stop aligning with the EU bloc, so they can fend for themselves.
Nobody wants Russia* to have nuclear weapons.