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[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 131 points 2 months ago

This is entirely on Twitter. For your average person, sending a court-ordered fine to the wrong institution means it hasn’t been paid.

Plus, theres the fact that Musk is completely untrustworthy. After all the effort it’s taken to get Twitter to pay up, I wouldn’t restore their ability to earn income from Brazilians until the fine was secured thoroughly and correctly.

[-] Virkkunen@fedia.io 47 points 2 months ago

The xitter lawyers claim that there was no bank account indicated anywhere so they "had to guess" and are demanding xitter to be unlock as they paid the fine.

In other words, either they're grossly incompetent and can't read, or they're playing malicious by trying to abuse some loophole or anything to ultimately not pay the fine

EDIT: For some clarification, there is no information publicly available as to where the lawyers sent the money to, only that it wasn't the account linked to this fine, and that the lawyers are demanding the service to be restored because they claim the fine was paid, but the correct account hasn't received the money, so the fine is not paid. Alexandre de Moraes has asked Caixa Economica Federal (one of the government banks and the only one that deals with this kind of thing) to "fix" this issue so the attorney's general office can analyse the process and decide on restoring xitter's service. Elon Musk, X and the law firm representing them in Brazil are in absolutely no position to contest, much less demand, anything from the supreme court or the attorney's general office. Their actions have shown time and time again that they have no intention to play fair and regularise the issues, and they'll try what they can to create instability, animosity and general distrust against Brazil's judicial system.

The information regarding payment details for fines is ALWAYS clearly detailed on every notice, there is 0 chance that they forgot to include it or they've made a mistake and added a different account.

The more I read into this the more it looks like the law firm is being malicious instead of stupid, they're trying all that they can to not pay this fine (on behalf of X & Co.) and also create instability/animosity against the supreme court, specially considering what Musk has done and been doing for this whole case.

[-] babybus@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago

so they "had to guess"

Or they could ask 🤷‍♂️

[-] Virkkunen@fedia.io 8 points 2 months ago

Or they could keep reading the notice(s) and check out all the clearly stated details on who, where and how to send the fine payment

[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Guess when you're sending 5 million? Yeah right.

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Yup. Or Musk never expected to pay the fine, so his lawyers never bothered to research the bank where he owed the money.

I hope the government didn't let Musk leave the country until his fine was settled.

[-] Virkkunen@fedia.io 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah but here's the thing, the details for payment of such things is always clearly disclosed on whichever notice they've received, and probably this was sent multiple times. Also the lawyers appointed by xitter are Brazilian, in a Brazilian firm, so they are familiar with how this works and the system is not dubious or misleading or confusing at all.

Like I've said, they're either grossly incompetent to a point that they can't read anything, or they're trying their "best" to avoid paying the fine but their best is comically pathetic at most.

[-] Lyrl@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago
[-] Virkkunen@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

Source for what, the lawyers claiming the payment detail wasn't specified?

https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-x-seek-resumption-brazil-service-fines-paid-sources-say-2024-10-04/

https://g1.globo.com/politica/blog/daniela-lima/post/2024/10/04/x-realiza-deposito-em-conta-errada-e-moraes-manda-app-regularizar-pagamento.ghtml

https://g1.globo.com/politica/blog/julia-duailibi/post/2024/10/04/x-diz-que-moraes-nao-especificou-conta-e-pede-volta-ao-ar-sem-analise-da-pgr.ghtml

I can't provide you any source on how the fine notices of this nature look like since I have never commited anything to amount a hefty fine like this, but every single official document, bill, notice or whatever you may call it in which requires someone to pay something to the government, you will find extensive details on the account numbers and where to pay. They are not forgetting or not including this information.

Like I have said before and will say it again, the Brazilian law firm Xitter has hired is either comprised of the freshest graduated lawyers that never worked with something like this, or they can't read, or they're intentionally playing malicious to avoid paying the fine and causing as much instability as they can on behalf of Musk.

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