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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by PropaGandalf@lemmy.world to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Hey mateys!

I made a post at /c/libertarianism about the abolition of IP. Maybe some of you will find it interesting.

Please answer in the other community so that all the knowledge is in one place and easier to discover.

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[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 year ago

Other than liking the nice round number of 20 years, that’s exactly my take. Copyright longevity creates perverse incentives for rights holders, and it locks down the ability of other creators to use common cultural references.

[-] Veraxus@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I’d say no more than 10 years for ANYTHING. Copyright, patent, you name it. I would also prohibit any and all software and design patents.

Trademark would last only as long as actively in use.

[-] DudePluto@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think you realize how incredibly short 10 years is in terms of investment recuperation. That's not realistic unless you're talking about abandoning capitalism all together, at which point the particulars of IP law are irrelevant

[-] CheshireSnake@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree with you both, although imho 15/20 is a bit too long? The only reason being something can be improved better(?) by multiple entities working on it (competitively) than a single entity. Maybe 10 years? I'm thinking if I have an invention (let's say a new engine), 10 years should be enough for me to earn my share. After that, other companies/individuals can use my base/foundation and build on it. With more people working on that engine and competing with each other, the end product would probably be much better than when I work at it alone.

[-] IonAddisVolt@laguna.chat 9 points 1 year ago

So if i'm a writer writing a series over a decade, my first book, which only got me a 10k advance, will stop giving me even a pittance in royalties a decade later even as I am adding new books to the series? Most creatives are not rich household names, and your idea would not be a death knell for Disney, but for the small creators already earning poverty wages.

[-] CheshireSnake@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Valid point (and one I initially did not consider). But I still stand by what I said, although I admit it can be more flexible if you're contractually bound to write a series. Maybe a few years' worth of extensions per entry or it starts after a series is over? Certainly not 70 years after an author's death. We know books depend on popularity to sell, and we've seen only a few (relatively) authors get rich on their books alone.

10 years is a long time - I would not stay in a job that doesn't pay enough for my needs for 10 years no matter how much I enjoy it. My problem is I admittedly am not well-versed in that specific industry (trusted resources are welcome as I've tried searching but I don't recognize many of the websites so idk how reliable they are). But an increase in salary (or advances) and/or royalties may be in order. I think everyone is entitled to that at this point.

Again, this is from my admittedly limited knowledge in that specific industry, so feel free to correct me. It's just that imho IP rights, as they are today, is kind of ludicrous.

Copyright is life of the Author +70 years, patent is 20 years from filing.

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago

I was talking about what copyright should be.

[-] Derproid@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Damn that mouse, I'd even be fine with life of the author in theory. But life of the author +70 freaking years is ridiculous.

[-] emptyother@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

People would take out hits on people to free an IP, if it is particularly valuable. So lets not bind it to an authors life at all.

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