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[-] capital@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That was in response to being robbed.

I think the phrase you're looking for is “defending yourself”.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

I don't live in a 3rd world country, so I guess I just don't understand the concept of needing to arm myself before leaving my house because I'm likely to need a deadly weapon while I go about my business.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don’t live in a 3rd world country

lol the US has the highest death rate from gun violence - it's literally the #1 killer of children.

which is not to assert that adding more firearms will help the situation, but it's got fuckall to do with living in a first world country or third world country.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago

In these kinds of discussions you can assume the third world country jab was a reference to the US.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

As an aside: part of the definition of a First World Country includes being a "stable democracy".

If a poll was done of American citizens asking them "do you think fraud will play a part in the upcoming election?" I would be shocked if less than 80% said yes. That doesn't sound like a stable democracy to me.

[-] capital@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What country do you live in? I’m curious which one has no theft or violent crime.

[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not OP check out my username for an idea of where I live. Besides a bit of gang on gang action in our capital, violent crimes are extremely rare. It's maybe once a year that police have to shoot at a person, and even then police officers will assess the situation and if possible not go for center mass.

Note how I left out theft. That's because you can't directly use violence to protect property.

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[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

There's a difference between "violent crime exists" and "violent crime is so prevalent that regular citizens need to carry around an implement designed to kill people quickly while they go about their daily lives."

[-] capital@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I've never been in a serious vehicle accident.

Still wear my seat belt though.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

"Wearing a seatbelt is the same as walking around with a device that can near instantly kill people." Is something said by someone living in a dystopia.

[-] capital@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It was a preparedness analogy which seems to have gone over your head.

Is something said by someone living in a dystopia.

You've had a variation on this in just about every response. It's getting very old. We get it, US bad.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Was my statement wrong in any way?

If it's getting old stop trying to argue against it by saying the dystopian attitude is necessary.

[-] capital@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Was my statement wrong in any way?

Do you know how analogies work? Of course the two things I compared are different.

It's like if I said "a fish swimming is like a bird flying" and you coming along and saying "omg swimming and flying are the same now????/"

I even spelled it out - it's about preparedness.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Was my statement wrong in any way?

Do you know how analogies work? Of course the two things I compared are different.

That doesn't answer my question as to if my statement was incorrect.

You've made an analogy about preparedness and let the assumption hang that that makes both things equal.

Just like saying "a fish swimming is like a bird flying" isn't an argument that a bird would be able to fly underwater, saying "I've never been in an accident and still wear a seatbelt" is not an argument for "always have a deadly weapon on you when you leave the house" not being evidence of a completely fucked up situation.

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[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago
[-] capital@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Reasonable Force

Reasonable force refers to the amount of force that is necessary for a person to defend himself or his property, without going overboard. It is especially important to prove whether or not the force a person used was reasonable in order to determine his level of liability for the crime. Hence why reasonable force is also referred to as “legal force.” For instance, a father who gets into an argument with his son’s baseball coach, shoving him with his hands, has started the conflict. If the coach, in defending himself, picks up a baseball bat and slams it into the father’s head several times, it could not reasonably be considered self defense.

If a person can prove that he used reasonable force to defend himself, he may be able to avoid being prosecuted for a crime.

If a person uses more force than what would be considered necessary to protect himself from an aggressor, then this would be considered excessive or unreasonable force. Once excessive force has been proven, then the defendant’s self defense argument is considered forfeited. For instance, a defendant is justified in using force that is intended or likely to cause death or severe injury if someone violently enters his home, and he believes such force is necessary to prevent harm from coming to himself, or to another person in the home.

https://legaldictionary.net/self-defense/

[-] capital@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

And you understand that reasonable force varies by state, right? I’ve said it multiple times.

I will use the maximum allowed for the state I reside in. I have lived in states which allowed for deadly force to protect property.

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