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[-] urfavlaura@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago

russia isn't "red" and never really was to begin with

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 34 points 1 month ago

That's what annoys me the most. Tankies will go defend Russia like it's the promised land of communism, when the only remnant of communism it has is rigged elections and propaganda.

[-] prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago

Also wrong. Rigged elections would imply there ever was a communist Russia. There never was. It was (maybe at its best, in part) socialist and most of the time after the zars a military state. That is true for all states that were left leaning btw. No communists to be found.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

This is incorrect. The USSR was Socialist, and was attempting to work towards building Communism.

[-] prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

Yes working towards as in socialism is the first stage to communism. But they didn't get far thus my argument was there wasn't communism in the USSR.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

They got pretty far, they were Socialist for nearly the entire 20th century. They liberalized towards the end and were dissolved, but the narrative that they weren't Socialist or that it wasn't a real attempt at building Communism is nonsense.

[-] prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

Yes arguing that Russia was never socialist (or tried hard to be) would be nonsense. I am not arguing that though. I said that there was never communism. As in, archived and not used as veil to hide the failing government and society.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

What on Earth are you talking about?

[-] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

To be fair, it has the most boots to be licked and some people have urges that the rest of us will never understand. /S

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Someone offended your favorite colonizer!

Quick, to the semantic-debate mobile, we must split the hairs!!

[-] bestagon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Nah dude, someone took the opportunity to use a slogan originating in witch hunts of people threatening the ruling class in their bleeding of post-war prosperity in America.

This is about some despot using their resources to interfere with what modest self-governance we have in America

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah keep dreaming about the communist utopia that will definitely happen... somewhere... at some point... ...maybe...?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Communism isn't Utopian, it isn't a "perfect model of society" that people simply need to agree with in their minds to adopt. It's closer to a theory of historical development and analyzing what will come after Capitalism in that long chain of development.

Knowing about it can speed up the process of development, since you can better direct it, but modes of production emerge from what came before.

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