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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 193 points 2 years ago

WHO is the one guy who downvotes you???

"NO! UNPROFITABLE BUSINESSES DESERVE TO THRIVE!!! MUST FEED THE BILLIONAIRES!!!"

Maybe OpenAI learned to downvote...

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

There are some hardcore "copyright shouldn't exist" folks out there.

[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

The guy who wants their AI girlfriend yesterday.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Lol how about every pirate who fundamentally opposes the copyright system?

How about everyone who uses Google and doesn't want to see it shut down for scraping copyrighted content to provide a search engine?

Seriously, explain to me what's different at a fundamental level about OpenAI scraping the web and transforming the data through an LLM and Google scraping the web and transforming the data through their algorithms (which include LLMs)?

[-] running_ragged@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago

Google (used to) scrapes the specific details authorized by robots.txt and uses it to make your content visible.

OpenAI scrapes everything it can technically see, ignoring robots.txt and feeds i to a black box and regurgitates it claiming it’s something new, that it deserves to be paid for.

Quite different actually.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

So if OpenAI complies with Robots.txt files then there's no issue right?

Because then they're identical. Open AI spent a bunch of money building a powerful system they feed those results to, as did Google.

[-] solarvector@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 years ago

Web search used to be about scraping the web to find and present other people's work as just that... their work. Now the handful of websites claim ownership of the contributions of everyone, and at this point it's just corporations arguing about who owns your stuff. Pirates will not win out in this argument, except maybe in the very short term.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 7 points 2 years ago

Search engines provide source, they scrap for indexing, but your search gives a list of websites that matches that you will then likely visit. That's a big fundamental difference.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Google doesn't sell the search engine as a product.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Yes they do, just indirectly, it's how they monopolized the online advertising business.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago
[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I'm unclear on context. Are you saying Mbin users can see who upvotes/downvotes?

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Votes aren't private on the fediverse, it's just a that some interfaces won't display them. Also, instance admins can see who voted too.

But like @Boozilla@lemmy.world said

Don’t bother yourself over it. That way lies madness.

It mainly useful for admins to detect if there is some vote manipulation going on.

[-] norimee@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Sam Altman lurking around...

[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

To steel man the downvoters, maybe there are other solutions besides killing off every business that can't afford to comply with copyright. After all, isn't the whole point of copyright to enable the capitalist exploitation of information?

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