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as a person that came from the 3rd world country and new in fediverse environment, i genuinely would like to know about this.

edit: thanks for the replies! sorry, i literally don't know the reason since i'm not a western lol. twitter/x is too biased especially when musk openly supports trump so i came here and seeing fediverse is mostly are harris or biden (when he's still up for the candidate) supporters. don't know about reddit tho, i only use reddit as a forum for linux and programming stuff.

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[-] Antiproton@programming.dev 81 points 3 months ago

There are plenty of Trump supporters here. Every comment from someone who implies one shouldn't vote for Harris because of the Israel-Gaza war is likely someone trying to suppress Democrat turnout. Single issue voting is the only way the GOP ever win.

[-] OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world 47 points 3 months ago

The Gaza posts always make me laugh because they completely ignore that Trump would just glass Gaza.

The only reason Trump hasn’t showed how terrible he’d be on Gaza is because he isn’t president right now.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My brother in christ you cannot compromise on fucking genocide. Liberals like you are so fucking scared of the orange man that you are willing to let hundreds of thousands die without even asking for better.

[-] _core@sh.itjust.works 43 points 3 months ago

If all you're voting on is how they respond to Gaza, Harris isn't great but Trump is exponentially worse. He's openly said that Israel should continue what they're doing. In fact, in every metric of comparison Trump is exponentially worse. It's not that we're scared of Trump, it's that he is so much worse in every regard.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 months ago

Yeah no shit but im not gonna settle for genocide. Slower genocide is still genocide and if I can do anything to prevent the murder of hundreds of thousands of people I will do so. I genuinely believe that witholding my vote and protesting has a chance of altering Harris' position here.

[-] Vent@lemm.ee 22 points 3 months ago

What good does altering Harris's position do if she doesn't win?

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If she wins without ceasing material support for actual genocide then we have failed as a people. Politicans are beholden to us not the other way around. It is our demands they should listen to not the demands of raytheon, boeing, palantir, and others that uphold their wealth and power.

Thats not even mentioning the fact that not supporting genocide basically guarantees her win. This is an incredible popular position that many many people passionately care about. She supports genocide because she wants to

[-] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

But what good is punishing Harris by withdrawing your vote? What does this even do except inch everything closer to Trump - who will make the issue you're prioritizing, worse?

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It tells her that she might fucking lose if she doesn't change her stance. Do you really think a politician will do anything for the people if they can win without doing it? How do you think politics works? Asking nicely? I'm exerting political pressure not "punishing her"

[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I think you are misunderstanding the nature of the conflict. The war is between Iran and Israel. Gaza is just one tiny battlefield in the larger war. Iran and its proxies don't want to solve the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. Cui bono? Iran and its proxies, that's who. Kamala Harris knows this. She isn't stupid and she is well-advised by experts. You and your fellow protesters aren't helping at all, you are just making her job of defeating Trump harder. Wake up, my friend.

Hezbollah and Hamas are Iranian proxies that have wrecked Lebanon and Gaza respectively. Hamas's murderous attack on Israeli civilians on October 7 was all about creating chaos, provoking Israel, and undermining the Abraham Accords. It wasn't about solving the problems of the Palestinian people, it was done to further Iran's "Axis of Resistance" goals. In that sense, Hamas's October 7 operation was very similar in nature and purpose to Bin Laden's 9/11 plan, and Israel is responding much the same as the US did back in the early 2000s against the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

Iran and Hamas started the current clash with the purpose of provoking Israel into a drastic response in Gaza. Gazan civilians are caught in the middle, but if you think it's Israel's fault, you are falling exactly in line with what Iran and their proxies intended.

The Russians, for all their faults, have a well-developed sense of realpolitik, and they have a term for people like you and your fellow protesters: useful idiots. I prefer the term "naive but well-intentioned", but there is quite a lot of overlap in this case. That "naive but well-intentioned" outlook is fine, even laudable, most of the time, but it is quite unhelpful at this moment when the competition between Harris and Trump is so close.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

You should really learn some history, like any history tbh

[-] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 months ago
[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Lmao, I'm not voting for a kid diddler either

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago
[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Whichever candidate is willing to end the genocide not that I'd believe trump if he said he would. I'll vote third party if necessary

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

Harris is working to end the genocide right now. She's fighting for a permanent ceasefire and two state solution. That might not be your preferred way to resolve the conflict, but it would stop the carnage and give Palestine more leverage to negotiate on the world stage.

[-] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

The orange man is not the solution here, to be clear

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Yes, of course. I would never encourage people to vote for a fascist

[-] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 16 points 3 months ago

It's so hard to take people seriously who talk like turbo redditors. My BrOtHeR iN lOw KeY cHrIsT.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Thats fair but it's probably just a generational or regional divide. For instance, I personally can't take people who use that form of text capitalization seriously. No shame though I just associate it with 7th grade

[-] WldFyre@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

I just associate it with 7th grade

You're not gonna believe this, but I'm pretty sure that was the intent, to mock you

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Oh, I'm not very good at detecting those sorts of things

[-] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Somehow people think that pointing out that anyone who isn't Trump are pro-genocide means that Trump somehow isn't pro-genocide.

Like you're not allowed to think about two problems at once. Or that there are no other options....

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I get that but I'm not gonna criticize trump for being pro-genocide bc we can't do shit fuck about that. Atleast with Harris there is a slim chance of changing her position on the matter by witholding votes and being vocal about it. Stop doing genocide has gotta be the most reasonable political demand to exist right?

[-] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Yes. Exactly! The reason people keep bitching about Harris and genocide is because they hope something might actually happen about it.

Biden was an absolutely terrible candidate (that I was going to vote for) and probably the only person who could lose against Trump. Because people constantly bitched about how bad he was they changed the candidate.

Harris doesn't get to use Trump as a not-as-bad-as screen, and given that we don't have the option of not voting for her, everyone should be applying every other available form of pressure to discourage her from enabling genocide or otherwise maintaining the status quo.

[-] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Now is not the time. After she is elected, get out there and put the pressure on her. But it makes no sense to risk the fate of the entire country on this.

[-] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This will come as an absolute shock to you. You can vote for someone you criticize....

Which party was it that dogpiles on anyone that dares criticize their shitty candidates again?

The point of saying it before the election is that the expectations are set.

[-] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I can understand that you can vote for someone you criticize. But it's obviously implied that you're withholding your vote unless the administration changes their tune, which means you're not voting for someone you're criticizing at the moment. If not, then you have nothing to pressure with.

I am all for constructive criticism but I still don't think this is an effective means to accomplish getting this point across.

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[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

You keep his name out of your fuckdamn heathen mouth...

[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Everyone who doesn't stand behind me absolutely is my enemy.

[-] 20hzservers@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Op here's one ^

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago
[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago
[-] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Another brand new account posting the same tired bad faith party lines.

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

You: “Hitler can’t take back office, but we do need to continue the concentration camps. People who don’t want concentration camps are directly supporting Hitler.”

[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

excellent bait, good sir 👍

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