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[-] TheAlbatross 160 points 9 months ago

Lmaooo what a stupid thing for an American president to say

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 113 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So...

Since Biden went around Congress to supply weapons to Israel they're using to genocide the people of Gaza...

Biden is now claiming personal responsibility for the genocide in Gaza?

Like, has anybody honestly checked on Biden lately? Does he not understand what he's saying or is he really leaning into "what are you gonna do, vote trump?" Strategy this hard already?

Because the danger is depressing turnout enough trump may win, not Dem voters voting trump.

And this shit show of a comment is going to depress turnout for Biden...

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Not only supplying Israel is the direct reason why US soldiers are being targeting but also it bace the way to radicalized the new bin laden and the new ISIS. Who would target US individuals and interests every where.

While in the past the attacks are mostly is happening in middle east, there are no guarantees to fight will affect civilians in the US.

No one talk why bin laden became anti-usa eventhough he studied in western university and from a wealthy family. It is the US foreign affairs in supporting Israel that resulted in 9/11 directly or indirectly.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

He’s really leaning in already, and the damn fool is going to lose the election because of it. Absolutely disgraceful.

[-] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

It's not going around congress when you literally don't have to

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

If he literally didn't have to go around congress, why did he?

Just for a laugh?

Just to show he could if he wanted to?

Did he fucking forget that he could.

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 71 points 9 months ago

So he's taking responsibility for Gaza?

[-] pressanykeynow@iusearchlinux.fyi 39 points 9 months ago

Not just Gaza, USA is the biggest arms dealer in the world.

[-] huginn@feddit.it 57 points 9 months ago

I think that's a good, fair way of treating arms dealers. Let's apply that to everyone then yeah?

Lets apply that to everyone.

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[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 47 points 9 months ago

So they'll sue gun shops owners when there's a mass-killing going on, right?

[-] athos77@kbin.social 43 points 9 months ago

Q Mr. President, do you hold Iran responsible for the death of those three Americans?

THE PRESIDENT: I do hold respon- — them responsible in the sense that they’re supplying the weapons to the people who did it.

Cool. Now do Israel.

[-] notannpc@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago

Hello pot, meet kettle.

[-] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago
[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

Israel: Now do Hamas.

Whataboutism is stupid. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Hamas: Israel funded us. Now do israel.

[-] fisco@lemmy.ml 20 points 9 months ago

Pot, kettle, eejit !! 🤡

[-] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 19 points 9 months ago

Pot screams out that the kettle is black.

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

This is going to be the reason we get fascism.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

US already has fascism

[-] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

If electorate are that dumb then we deserve it

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

It's not even the electorate, the DNC is pushing Octogenarian Joe and his zionist sympathetic ideology. While they are also hiding any real alternative.

[-] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah it's the electorate. Dnc didn't push shit. He's the incumbent that was picked clearly in primaries. If the voter is voting on his Israel stance they'll have a rude awakening with trump in charge. Not to mention how stupid it is to make a single issue vote

Hence it's 100percent on a dumb electorate that can't to basic if else logic

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I disagree, the DNC favors the incumbent, which I believe is a poor decision electorally. Moreover, the electorate should feel informed on the choices of candidates.

I don't like the argument "DNC didn't push shit" they are an organization with an agenda, just like all organizations. They maintain support for Biden and sweep any other candidates under the rug away from the visibility of voters.

It's my belief that people on the left who would have voted from Biden, independents & moderates who support Palestine, will stay home based on single issues. I don't think it's smart of them to vote that way but, it's an uncomfortable truth about the voting population that the DNC should understand.

[-] HubertManne@kbin.social 16 points 9 months ago

misleading headlines are misleading:

Q But directly responsible?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, we’ll have that discussion.

[-] MarcoPOLO@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago

This is from the same President that slurred "womenofamerica" at a rally, so I guess it's understandable he would confuse being responsible for being responsible.

[-] HubertManne@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago

that last statement you made sounds wierd. He said what has been the status quo. Those selling are somewhat responsible but not directly responsible. Thats why the us gets so much flak (well and the actual do things we do)

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

Funny how that works.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago

Why did no one ask a follow-up question about that remark?

[-] MyDogLovesMe@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

That means Canada’s done some bad shot too. We actually sell a shit-tonne of weapons.

[-] leaskovski@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

I have a feeling Russia will use this... Expect them quoting Biden any time soon.

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about…?") is a pejorative for the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of a defense of the original accusation. ... Leonid Bershidsky called whataboutism a "Russian tradition", while The New Yorker described the technique as "a strategy of false moral equivalences". Julia Ioffe called whataboutism a "sacred Russian tactic", and compared it to accusing the pot of calling the kettle black. ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Citations Needed podcast: Whataboutism - The Media's Favorite Rhetorical Shield Against Criticism of US Policy

Since the beginning of what’s generally called ‘RussiaGate’ three years ago, pundits, media outlets, even comedians have all become insta-experts on supposed Russian propaganda techniques. The most cunning of these tricks, we are told, is that of “whataboutism” – a devious Soviet tactic of deflecting criticism by pointing out the accusers’ hypocrisy and inconsistencies. The tu quoque - or, “you, also” - fallacy, but with a unique Slavic flavor of nihilism, used by Trump and leftists alike in an effort to change the subject and focus on the faults of the United States rather than the crimes of Official State Enemies.

But what if "whataboutism" isn’t describing a propaganda technique, but in fact is one itself: a zombie phrase that’s seeped into everyday liberal discourse that – while perhaps useful in the abstract - has manifestly turned any appeal to moral consistency into a cunning Russian psyop. From its origins in the Cold War as a means of deflecting and apologizing for Jim Crow to its braindead contemporary usage as a way of not engaging any criticism of the United States as the supposed arbiter of human rights, the term "whataboutism" has become a term that - 100 percent of the time - is simply used to defend and legitimizing American empire’s moral narratives.

Ben Burgis @ Current Affairs: Is “Whataboutism” Always a Bad Thing?

Discussing the crimes of our own country as well as the crimes of others is not always an effort to downplay other countries’ crimes—it can be a test of whether we are serious about our principles.

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Is whataboutism acceptable, when Israel defends its actions in Gaza by saying "What about Hamas crimes?" Is saying 'what about Hamas' a valid defense against allegations of war crimes in Gaza? Should Israel be allowed to commit war crimes in Gaza because Russia is committing or facilitating war crimes in Sudan and Ukraine? "We bombed a hospital, but what about Russia! What about Assad?"

Personally, I think what Israel is doing in Gaza is no less bad, because the Russians are doing similar things in Ukraine, or because Assad bombed hospitals.

You see, the worst thing about what's happening in Gaza, Sudan, Ukraine, Syria, Yemen, Xinjiang, wherever... it's not the hypocrisy. It's the war crimes.

Whataboutism isn't cunning. It's stupid and only useful idiots and morons think otherwise.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

As both pieces explain, it has its uses and its abuses.

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So he has the same logical pattern as .ml right?

You all agree with Biden lmao

Edit: downvote here if you agree with POTUS Biden

[-] cupcakezealot 1 points 9 months ago

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