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submitted 2 years ago by peppy@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

I just read this point in a comment and wanted to bring it to the spotlight.

Meta has practically unlimited resources. They will make access to the fediverse fast with their top tier servers.

As per my understanding this will make small instances less desirable to the common user. And the effects will be:

  1. Meta can and will unethically defedrate from instances which are a theat to them. Which the majority of the population won't care about, again making the small instances obsolete.
  2. When majority of the content is on the Meta servers they can and will provide fast access to it and unethically slow down access to the content from outside instances. This will be noticeable but cannot be proved, and in the end the common users just won't care. They will use Threads because its faster.

This is just what i could think of, there are many more ways to be evil. Meta has the best engineers in the world who will figure out more discrete and impactful ways to harm the small instances.

Privacy: I know they can scrape data from the fediverse right now. That's not a problem. The problem comes when they launch their own Android / iOS app and collect data about my search and what kind of Camel milk I like.

My thoughts: I think building our own userbase is better than federating with an evil corp. with unlimited resources and talent which they will use to destroy the federation just to get a few users.

I hope this post reaches the instance admins. The Cons outweigh the Pros in this case.

We couldn't get the people to use Signal. This is our chance to make a change.

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[-] Takina_sOldPairTM@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Where's that Fediverse's anti-Meta treaty again? Should update em clauses by now.

[-] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 years ago

I really don't understand this logic... There is literally absolute no advantage by not federating with Meta.

Why would users prefer the free Fediverse MORE if it's not federated with the "big and good" Metaverse? If anything it just drives them away into Metas arms, because the non-Meta instances are small and all the stuff is on Meta anyway.

Defederating is just the worst case result, but instantly from the beginning... How does that do any good???

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[-] Gerula@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Meta or any other corporation with interest in social media sphere (to be read: wanting to make profit on the back of the users) will, sooner or later, kill the fediverse if allowed to enter.

Why?

Simple because the reason for a corporation to exist is to make profit and that profit has to grow each year - so there is all the incentive in the world to milk everything from the user until they can then move on to the next "thing".

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[-] ericflo@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

Everything is gonna be alright.

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[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago
  1. I mean, we can all defederate. You're TELLING us to defederate. What makes ours ethical and their unethical??

  2. They cannot make our instances slower. Your browser / the server doesn't make any requests to threads when you load a page on your instance. They could send notifications less frequently, but so what.

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[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Honestly, I still have more hope for Signal compared to Lemmy/fediverse. As much as I like it here, Signal is just so much more user-friendly and explainable. I am also slowly making people around me set it up.

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Were you previously messaging everyone you know through reddit?

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[-] Aurix@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

The instances defederating Meta will shrink and collapse into their own seperate Defediverse. The debate shows the risk of so many hobbyist instances and admins powertripping their view who the users are allowed to talk to, that a corporation is perhaps more reliable. It hurts the users, hampers communication channels and people will flock more to the Mainfediverse further accelerating more power to fewer instances.

If you were looking for a network seperated from the outside general world, you perhaps should have joined a closed instance, network and forum. It goes against all what the Fediverse tries to be, a multi-purpose communication tool across communities, corporations and cultures with the possibility to create seperated and shielded communities.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

The current fediverse is like a small mall or downtown with local shops and unique things to do. Meta is like Walmart coming in and overwhelming the existing businesses and running them out of business through unethical practices.

It isn't like people won't be allowed in the fediverse if they also use threads. The desire is to avoid threads using the fediverse to drive everything's else out.

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[-] peppy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago
[-] rschecht@lemm.live 9 points 2 years ago

But... what kind of Camel milk do you like?

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago

If you don't federate with them, people will simply just go there instead of here because a larger user base.

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[-] aku@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago
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[-] teft@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Meta has the best engineers in the world

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA....oh that's rich. Do you actually believe this?

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[-] Veedems@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

I, personally, do not want to be defederated from Threads. I want to follow some of the key news orgs and political figures who haven’t made the move over to Mastodon. For me, it can be the best of both worlds. I can get the content I want and maintain the level of privacy that I want.

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[-] trymeout@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Could Threads essentially cause a kinda DDOS attack onto other instances or bloating other instances with data?

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