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[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 79 points 2 years ago

4GB is an absolute fuck ton of text. Like, solid chunk of Wikipedia would fit in there.

[-] sik0fewl@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago

If you were restricted to just 700MM words, what would you say?

[-] qooqie@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Help. That’s it, that’s all I’d say

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[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 7 points 2 years ago

the other day I learned you can download Wikipedia and it's something like 50 GB of text plus 50 GB of pictures

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 9 points 2 years ago

Nah, it's 22 GB for just the current English version, text-only Wikipedia. Adding the media English current version only would be 140 GB (plus the 22 GB for the text). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MediaStatistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia

So you could do text-only Wikipedia and probably compress it. Maybe drop a few thousand of the articles that don't matter or are stubs. Drop all the entertainment articles, etc.

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[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

So you send them text that they can't read?

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

I don't think you appreciate how much text you can fit into 4GB. The first entire gigabyte could be dedicated to various means of translation and explaining our language system, and you'd still have a 500 million words left after that.

[-] ShadowCatEXE@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

You can also get 2-3 movies worth with 4gb depending on its length and quality. Maybe even more.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago

So they need to understand our colors, video codecs, displays, sound, and so much more?

[-] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 years ago

A link with a cracked Minecraft client and an ip to join to a small server to chill with that alien.

Technically you can probably send a bunch of links, like Wikipedia etc. He "just" needs to access to it, which may or may not breach the 4GB rule.

[-] Joker@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago

Damn, what a cheapskate. A chance to play Minecraft with a friendly space alien and you can’t even pay for a legit copy. Probably going to give that alien a computer virus and doom us all. Don’t put this guy in charge.

[-] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 20 points 2 years ago

Can agree with that, but I wanted to save the alien from having a Microsoft account.

[-] Joker@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago

You’ve got a point. On second thought, maybe a different game would be better.

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[-] Gnorv@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

Why do you assume the alien has access to the internet?

[-] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

No reason at all. Of course probably the aliens won't have access to the interwebz, but playing Minecraft with an alien sounded funny in my head.

[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

It won't breach the 4GB rule, but even the closest star to Sol would have at minimum latency of 4 years.

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[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

Rickroll, comeon

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the actual messages humanity has sent into space in the hopes that aliens will hear it since those are actually pretty cool.

I mean look at this crap. Look at how cool it looks. https://www.plover.com/misc/Dumas-Dutil/messages.pdf

(I'm on mobile otherwise I'd add a picture)

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago

https://www.plover.com/misc/Dumas-Dutil/messages.pdf

  1. Again a cringe Word PDF title (why cant this program use normal Titles?)

  2. Why tf didnt they just draw our numbers and instead some crazy art stuff?

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

It's explained in the PDF. If they used normal numbers and letters, the chance of corruption would be high. So they had to reform into the symbols you see.

I still don't get why we use Pi instead of Tau though, when most equations double it up into Tau anyway.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The dimension (physical height, 5'9") of an average man (blue/white)

Well thanks now they think we are all men

[-] z00s@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

It's kinda cool but not sure why they thought creating a new set of pictograms that aren't used on Earth was the best method

https://xkcd.com/927/

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 3 points 2 years ago

So that the symbols would be less likely to get corrupted if the aliens received it over a bad radio link

[-] pan_troglodytes@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago

rickroll at 8k for however many seconds that is

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[-] EphTen@lemdro.id 12 points 2 years ago

I would probably include an apology for using FAT32 and insist that we've made better filesystems since then.

[-] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 12 points 2 years ago

Probably an AI model that fits in that size. It might not be our best models, but it probably would be a lot more useful to aliens than whatever we'd decide to fit on 4GB.

They'd get mostly all the inner workings of our languages and how we do conversations and generally be able to answer basic questions about humanity.

[-] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 years ago

What ? "an AI model" is not a compression algorithm. Why give the aliens an AI trained with some wikipedia articles when you could just give them wikipedia.

[-] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Because an LLM is more than just data: it's like a big network of how syllables and words go together based on some context. And that's useful because language is how we communicate, how we connect ideas together, it's how we share stories. It's not just Wikipedia articles, it's a database of relationships between words and concepts. It approximates how we think as humans.

Yes, AI is hella overhyped. Everyone wants to AI everything. But really for this particular situation, I think the model data would actually be the best precompiled database of knowledge we can possibly provide to learn about humans for the size.

No it's not magic compression, but 4GB worth of parameters is still a lot. GPT4All has models just under 4GB. They're not particularly impressive compared to OpenAI's offerings, but I think you can extract a lot more practical information to do first contact out of a basic model than 4GB worth of Wikipedia. It's extremely lossy compression, it's never gonna spit out articles vebatim, it will hallucinate a ton of stuff.

If we had more space I'd send all the major AIs we have like Dall-E, LLaMa and GPT 4. Imagine you're an alien, you're presented with a keyboard and a monitor, and know nothing about us. You can use Dall-E to try random letters and words and see if the output makes sense. Maybe you find out what a cat, dog, bat, frog, apple looks like. You can then input those words in ChatGPT, and get context as to when those are used. What's "a horse"? What's "riding"? Put those into Dall-E, now you know what a "cat riding a horse" looks like. It can generate as many as you want, any combination. Eventually you can figure out how to ask ChatGPT if cats typically ride horses, cars, bycles, what do cats do.

Now imagine you're a very advanced alien species that can easily process the model's parameters. You've just downloaded the basics of humanity. They can map their language to our model's parameters, and basically speak to us in our language, and translate our answers to theirs, and basically have a basic conversation.

[-] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago

Sorry chief you haven't really explained why an AI model would be the best format.

It's less dense than Wikipedia text. End of.

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[-] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

In_the_end.exe from limewire

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

A history of all of our misdeeds and self-inflicted suffering, probably 1gb of compressed literature and 3gb of imagery and video, along with an Earnest plea:

Please if you are able, either teach us how to save us from ourselves, or be merciful and destroy us. Don't let this self-inflicted carnage of we barely sapient creatures commit on one another due to lack of meaningful intellect or empathy continue.

Either take our hand and teach us as the confused, selfish, irrational children that we are, or just end this evolutionary mistake.

[-] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

I’d send a small note saying “Please take me away from here.”

[-] rosymind@leminal.space 8 points 2 years ago

"Stay away" with various methods given to understand the meaning of the words (images, signs, numbers, sounds, etc)

[-] willya@lemmyf.uk 7 points 2 years ago

2 girls 1 cup

[-] yote_zip@pawb.social 7 points 2 years ago
[-] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Frank Sinatra - stormy weather

the English Wikipedia articles on codecs, the 7 layer model, semiconductors, and microprocessors.

gcc compiler.

the source code for Firefox and the lightest possible Linux environment to run it... ... ...

and then as many axxo rips as I can cram in, sorted by IMDb rating

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

We must send them the historical documents so they can work to achieve the perfect society.

[-] Zellith@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago
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[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

Undertale 😎

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

onenightinparis.mov

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