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I am so so divided on if I should vote for biden or not. I wanna vote third party to at least do something or should I just stay home and protest and advocate where I can? Thoughts?

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[-] prunerye@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 years ago

Do what you want and don't be guilted by fear-mongerers on social media. If you want to vote third party, you should.

[-] Cosmicomical@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Please make what you can to avoid trump coming back. Please. Edit I understand the indecision but the situation is dire, if trump goes back to office the US is going into feudalism

[-] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago

How exactly is what we have right now any different than feudalism with a few more layers of abstraction?

[-] zbyte64 5 points 2 years ago

I mean I kind of think those are important abstractions, like a trail by jury. Or whatever it is where we aren't doing public torture and executions with hot pokers because you gave someone the evil eye.

[-] Seraph@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Only thing I have to add to the others is that this can only change once we have Ranked Choice voting. Look up your local nonprofit supporting this goal and volunteer.

[-] JulesTheModest@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago

I'm biased, but think you should vote for Biden. I voted for Nader I'm 2000 because I lived in Massachusetts at the time and it didn't matter there but I still regret it on the principle.

Biden is too centrist for my liking but the alternative is total chaos. I am super progressive but did vote for McCain in 2000 for the primary and never voted for Ted Kennedy!

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Vote for Biden == vote for Genocide.

Vote for Trump == vote for Genocide.

Vote third party == not vote for Genocide

It's not hard.

[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

Vote your conscience. Vote third party if you can't stand the Democrats no more. Vote Democrat if the Republicans winning is too much for you to handle. Which ever let's you sleep best at night is the correct answer.

[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Vote Democrat if the Republicans winning is too much for you to handle.

The Republicans winning should be too much for anybody with a conscience to handle.

[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

That's the great thing about options, we can differ on them.

[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Trump has already stated that he'd go after news sources that he doesn't like if he wins the next election. So, if you like the ability to differ on opinions, as you seem to, then you cannot tolerate Trump to win, nor any of the other leading Republicans who refuse to denounce him.

So, yes, I agree, that is the great thing about opinions, that we can differ on them, but we can only do so as long as Republicans are not in power.

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[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't know what the rules are in the US regarding a protest vote, but that's what I do in the UK as long as the candidates I have to choose from (local or general) all make my skin crawl. If you don't represent my interests, you don't get my vote, and neither red nor blue team even pretend to care about people like me at this point, so:

https://www.votenone.org.uk/protest_votes_count.html

Oh, and just to pre-empt any "you're why people like Trump get in", no you. The system is literally designed this way -

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic-eric-holder-our-unfinished-march-nick-seabrook-one-person-one-vote-jacob-grumbach-laboratories-against-democracy

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/

https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/

https://nyanarchist.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/scratch-a-liberal-a-fascist-bleeds-how-the-so-called-middle-class-has-enabled-oppression-for-centuries/

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

If you live in 44 out of 50 states, congratulations. Your electoral vote basically has 0% chance of mattering. Vote for who you like the most.

If you live in 1 of the of the other 6 states, congrats, your vote has like a 0.01% chance of mattering, but if enough people follow that line of thinking it might actually matter, so probably consider who you vote for more seriously because (even though I won't vote for someone like Biden) I still would prefer bidet winning over turnip.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago

That kind of thinking is how somebody like George Santos got elected. I'd avoid making any kind of assumption.

[-] Franzia 6 points 2 years ago

Local and state politics are way more important and different than the federal election.

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[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

If you live in 44 out of 50 states, congratulations. Your electoral vote basically has 0% chance of mattering. Vote for who you like the most.

If you live in 1 of the of the other 6 states, congrats, your vote has like a 0.01% chance of mattering, but if enough people follow that line of thinking it might actually matter, so probably consider who you vote for more seriously because (even though I won't vote for someone like Biden) I still would prefer bidet winning over turnip.

[-] Mister_Rogers@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

America (and alot of countries to be fair) need ranked choice voting systems so damn badly for this exact reason (if you're unfamiliar with it, a simple version is that basically you rank your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd pick, your first pick gets 3 points, 2nd pick 2 points, 3rd pick 1 point. At the end they tally up the points, and the party with the most wins).

Singular vote systems trend naturally towards 2 party systems often, whereas with a ranked choice system, far right people would vote for far-right-person that loads of people hate, far left people would vote for far-left-person that loads of people hate, but since almost everyone would put moderate-person as their 2nd choice that everyone kind of doesn't like, they would be the one to get elected in this case. It's like the old saying, a good compromise is when nobody is happy. That's what's needed to move away from extremist politics, but without a ranked choice system, it's not going to happen any time soon.

*this is grossly simplified, and there are examples of multi-party systems that don't use ranked choice, and there's many many caveats besides when talking so simply about something as complex as electoral politics, but the fundamental point stands.

[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago

The complete unwillingness of moderators to remove off topic posts in their communities is why Lemmy will fail.

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