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[-] duncan_bayne@lemmy.world 92 points 2 days ago

Australian here: can confirm that all kangaroos are tankies.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago

The communism-anarchism conflict often resembles the divide between urban and rural society.

It isn't insurmountable.

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[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago

Why work together towards revolution, when we can rehash century-old beefs from different material conditions? Just get out there and organize, comrades.

[-] IronBird@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

bullshitting online is easier though

[-] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 28 points 2 days ago

I always enjoy the comments anytime this meme gets posted.

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[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 35 points 2 days ago

Unless it’s the Spanish Civil War, where the Comintern spent more effort killing anarchists/social democrats than fighting the fascists.

[-] falcunculus@jlai.lu 15 points 1 day ago

Or the Ukrainian theatre of the Russian civil war, during which the Bolsheviks tried to kill Makhno no less than four times, in spite of his movement fighting the whites alongside them.

Still waiting for a source on the numbers, could you please elaborate?

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This seems like the most likely scenario in the US. America is full of idiots raging for the machine

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[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 45 points 2 days ago

Nah anarchists and non-ml communists get along great because we want the same thing.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Ignoring that there are many instances of MLs and anarchists getting along great, Marxists in general (including MLs, which are the most numerous among Marxists) are aligned with anarchists against capitalism and fascism, but have entirely different analysis on what to do about them. Anarchism is primarily about communalization of production and distribution, while Marxism is primarily about collectivization of production and distribution.

When I say “communalization,” I mean anarchists propose horizontalist, decentralized cells, similar to early humanity’s cooperative production but with more interconnection and modern tech. When I say collectivization, I mean the unification of all of humanity into one system, where production and distribution is planned collectively to satisfy the needs of everyone as best as possible.

For anarchists, collectivized society still seems to retain the state, as some anarchists conflate administration with the state as it represents a hierarchy. For Marxists, this focus on communalism creates inter-cell class distinctions, as each cell only truly owns their own means of production, giving rise to class distinctions and thus states in the future.

For Marxists, socialism must have a state, a state can only wither with respect to how far along it has come in collectivizing production and therefore eliminating class. All states are authoritarian, but we cannot get rid of the state without erasing the foundations of the state: class society, and to do so we must collectivize production and distribution globally. Socialist states, where the working class wields its authority against capitalists and fascists, are the means by which this collectivization can actually happen, and are fully in-line with Marx’s beliefs. Communism as a stateless, classless, moneyless society is only possible post-socialism.

Abolishing the state overnight would not create the kind of society Marxists advocate for advancing towards, and if anything, would result in the resumption of competition and the resurgance of capitalism if Marx and Engels predictions are correct.

None of this was specific to Marxism-Leninism, but Marxism in general.

[-] Val@anarchist.nexus 34 points 2 days ago

Here's another analysis for you: Anarchism is about creating social structures and improve the lives of those in these structures. There is no end goal or concrete structure to these structures. They change and adapt as the people within them change, leave or enter.

Anarchy is not about resources or class or opposing archists. But about creating spaces and communities in which people can safely exist as themselves. About creating social structures that are based on mutual aid and human connection instead of ability or need. Anarchy isn't about making a single system that everyone follows. It's about creating many overlapping systems doing many overlapping things. Different cells are not some distinct group of people with their own flags and names where you need to apply to join. It's just a name for a group of people that have something in common. The same person will belong to different cells as every cell represents some part of society. They cannot form states because a state needs to have polity and anarchists should reject polity wherever possible.

But that's just how I see it. other anarchists will disagree and that is the most anarchist thing ever.

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

My problem is that this is an unsustainable, unmaintainable ideal rather than a plan. It is nothing more than liberalism in infancy. We’re stuck playing Monopoly and this is a desire to start the game over rather changing it fundamentally. The outcome will be the same no matter how many times you start over.

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[-] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 days ago

yep, this is just the standard “hey leftists! fight each other now! don’t have the revolution until after you fight each other as much as possible!”

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[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 56 points 2 days ago

I wish. The world would be a much better place if the left could agree until we differ

[-] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

The left has to rally around all sorts of nuances to reach agreement. The right basically just has one thing: fear.

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