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submitted 1 year ago by Gsus4@feddit.nl to c/technology@lemmy.world

Engineers at MIT and in China are aiming to turn seawater into drinking water with a completely passive device that is inspired by the ocean, and powered by the sun.

In a paper appearing today in the journal Joule, the team outlines the design for a new solar desalination system that takes in saltwater and heats it with natural sunlight.

The researchers estimate that if the system is scaled up to the size of a small suitcase, it could produce about 4 to 6 liters of drinking water per hour and last several years before requiring replacement parts. At this scale and performance, the system could produce drinking water at a rate and price that is cheaper than tap water.

https://www.cell.com/joule/fulltext/S2542-4351(23)00360-4

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[-] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago

Article doesn't mention what the unit does with the salt waste.

I support this 100%, but desalination presents a unique problem: what do we do with all the salt? Maybe the unit uses it for something, but otherwise it just miniaturizes a problem that we're already working on.

[-] Gsus4@feddit.nl 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If this works, it's better than anything we have , which costs grid energy and dumps brine all the same. If anything, the smaller scale makes it easier to distribute and dilute the output brine.

[-] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

If sea levels rise as much as they're supposed to, this will be an invaluable tool for an enormous proportion of the country. My concern comes from capitalism getting its hooks into this.

[-] Sternout@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

Wait what country?

[-] Draghetta@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Capitalism bad, sure, but you can’t deny it has a way of making things scalable and affordable. If some venture co started the infrastructure to mass produce this stuff and make it possible for everybody to afford it would it be that bad?

[-] Cyberwitch_7493@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 year ago

What? No, my friend you misunderstand. Mass-production makes stuff affordable and scalable. Capitalism makes it so wealth is horded and only the rich get to decide what gets made. You vote with your dollar while a billionaire votes with theirs, guess who wins.

Mass-production is not a capitalism-exclusive unlock, it's a dlc that can be redeemed in any economic system.

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[-] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 year ago

Evaporate it to solid, store it if need be, or distribute it back into the sea in absorbable chunks. The water's ending up back in the sea eventually anyway, see water cycle, so it should be zero sum, just need to avoid local overloads. Seems eminently solvable.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

Depending on the desalination method, you can also harvest lithium while your at it.

[-] DrM@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago

Sounds so easy for you but what to do with the excess salt is the only real problem with desalination that we have for decades now. It's not easy to solve.

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[-] Dewe@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Don’t you just dump it back in the sea? Diluting should make this a minor issue right?

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

That's what I always thought, but the local effects of hypersalinated water can be terrible for any nearby life

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[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

This sounds fantastic on its face, but I seem to keep on hearing about how desalination will solve all kinds of problems and we still have this particular problem.

The missing piece, it seems, is the will for it to be used as infra at scale. Meanwhile selling bottled water taken for free from public lands for several dollars a liter in single-use bottles remains a multi-billion dollar industry. (an industry, I might add, that is aggressive about lobbying to protect its interests)

[-] batmangrundies@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Devices like this are a lifeline for communities in developing nations. Who are the first and worst affected by water shortages and salt water intrusions into their fresh water sources.

[-] xenoclast@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Also the poorest and least likely to get the help from the people with the resources to help.

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[-] jcit878@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

cool, but the real cost of desalination is transporting the desalinated water upstream, which presumably would also need to be done here

[-] Hillock@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago

Considering how many people live near the coast it would still be a huge step forward. Right now even for most coastal cities desalination isn't cost effective and they have to import water from inland.

And by not having to deliver as much water from inland to the coast that water can be distributed more for people living inland.

Yes, it's not going to make inhospitable areas liveable but it's not just "cool".

[-] jcit878@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

the issue with water networks is they work great when you have the source (usually dams) upstream, water essentially is gravity fed throughout the network with only some localised pumping for certain elevated locations. wastewater again gravity fed towards treatment plants at the lowest point (usually the ocean), so usually, its fairly efficient, despite still requiring enormous amounts of energy.

this doesnt solve that. it has the source where the end point is. the desalinated water needs to be pumped up, to then be gravity fed through the network. In some places, it is worth the cost and energy due to water scarcity, and im not knocking the technology. but claiming its cheaper than tap water is patently false because the distribution cost is far higher

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[-] Gsus4@feddit.nl 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

True...otherwise it's reverse hydro, which could be done with surplus renewables at peak times, but not at more than 10km.. This is mostly aimed at coastal communities (and sustainable floating villages 😁)

...or you could say fuck it, go full Dutch and build wind turbines and reservoirs everywhere to get water to all crops and green deserts 😊.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Since this produces distilled water, I imagine you could use it to filter any water, not just saltwater. You'd still need to boil it to make sure it was free of pathogens, in either case, and add an appropriate amount of salts and minerals back in to make it potable for the long term.

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[-] BugleFingers@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

SONOFABIT*H, I've been working on a project exactly like this with my friend for a couple years. Hella congrats they got it done and working first but damn :'( I was too slow.

Imma go sadly crush some bugles with my face stones now

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

Keep doing it anyway. They still haven't gotten to market, and I want choices when it comes to my post apocalyptic water suitcases.

[-] guacupado@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Zero reason to stop. Until this is put into practice it's just another article promising a future that isn't here.

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[-] MaroonMage@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I feel like every week we hear about some huge breakthrough that is supposed to revolutionize clean drinking water technology and save the world, but nothing ever comes of it.

I know this stuff takes time to develop, and not every idea is going to work, but it would be nice if one of these things actually did pan out and start being useful to solve our drinking water issues.

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[-] Gerula@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago
[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

It's just a giant plastic bag. They catch the runoff with a giant cup.

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[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

“Could”. What kind of fucking title is this?

Either it does or it doesn’t.

[-] key@lemmy.keychat.org 24 points 1 year ago

It's a good title. They don't know if it will be cheaper or not until they go and actually scale it up. Based on the prototype their projections say it should but it's very likely they would run into issues that drive up the cost.

[-] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

They do say in the article that they haven't scaled it up yet. If a large version works same as the small version it would do it. Hence "could".

[-] aphonefriend@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Delete this before Nestle sees it.

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