To Mods: I feel like this is not "political enough" for political memes... so... um... ...
Taking 800 million people out of poverty and becoming the manufacturing hub of the world is not good enough of a government for you? It is for the majority of Chinese people though, highest government satisfaction rate in the world!
Edit: so many comments responding with striking cognitive dissonance against factual, empirical data carried out in study after study by Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Westerners are so propagandized about China that they can't even listen to western factual information about China and government satisfaction. Again: if you think you are less biased against communism than the western institutions listed above, think again.
9-9-6, suicide nets on some factories... Sounds like a happy place to be.
It's interesting how much pro-China stuff seems to have flooded the Internet lately. They've even been inviting (maybe paying?) YouTubers to visit their country, despite not allowing YouTube to be accessed (legally) on their Internet. This campaign seems to be effective though.
I'm not even really anti-China. I used to conduct a lot of business with Chinese factories, and might do it again someday. But let's not ignore reality and pretend it's all sunshine and rainbows over there.
Whataboutism much? "Yeah, Chinese people may be overwhelmingly satisfied with their government, BUT WHAT ABOUT..."
But sure, let's do whataboutism. I've visited China and the US (I'm Spanish). In China I've seen a total of 0 suicide nets. In the US I've seen plenty of public spaces forbidding people from having backpacks due to fear of mass murder with rifles. One of them was a university. Tell me again how much healthier the country that doesn't allow BACKPACKS IN UNIVERSITIES is.
So you didn't visit any factories with suicide nets. Great! I've also never witnessed a mass murder. Lucky us!
You chose the easier, less common example, but ignored the more common one that I mentioned. So whatabout 9-9-6? I've spoken to people in that 9-9-6 life, and exactly zero of them were happy about it.
Witnessing a mass murder would be akin to watching not a suicide net but an actual suicide, great false equivalency in your whataboutism.
What about unpaid holiday in the USA? What about homelessness rates? What about rates of poverty in urban areas and rates of employed poverty? What about diplomatic, economic and military support for genocide in Palestine? What about one in five black males going through the prison system at least once throughout their lives? What about mass incarceration rates? What about drug abuse and drug mortality? What about car-only infrastructure? What about expansive suburban without access to public transit or any walkability? What about food deserts? What about the invasion of Iraq? What about the most expensive healthcare in the planet with the least function of the developed world? What about the disintegration of public education? What about prohibitive tuition costs in universities? What about student debt? What about debt of US citizens in general? What about credit score rates? What about the price of housing being unaffordable? What about the oil dependency and the shutting down of renewable and nuclear projects? What about the "back to coal"? What about the collapse of unionization rates? What about rates of obesity? What about functional illiteracy rates? What about life expectancy being lower than in Cuba? What about massive wealth inequality? What about the most overfunded and bloated military industrial complex? What about the support for dictators and fascists all over the world? What about the CIA operations supporting coups and destroying socialist movements? What about the bombing of Libya submerging it into a civil war? What about the support for ISIS in Syria? What about mass surveillance of US citizens and of the rest of the world? What about ownership of mass media and social media by capitalist conglomerates? What about the militarized police disappearing people in the streets? What about the functionally equivalent two parties in your "democracy"? What about the pedophilic gerontocracy in power? What about the rollback of rights of women? What about the rollback of rights of trans people? What about the consistently racist policies? What about the lack of worker rights? What about the finacialized justice system? What about the total lack of public childcare infrastructure? What about the disastrous rates of second language knowledge and usage among USians? What about the exploitation of the peoples and their resources in the global south? What about the propagation of false neoliberal recipes for disaster through the IMF and its debt traps? What about the offshoring of polluting industries? What about the support for fascists like Bolsonaro and Milei?
Wow, that looks like a lot of work to avoid the 9-9-6 thing. I like this first one though:
What about unpaid holiday in the USA?
Was that at the top of the list because it was meant to compare to 9-9-6, somehow? I mean sure, unpaid holidays suck, but that's not even in the same ballpark as working 72 hours per week, every week. At that point, you're just living to work (as a robot/zombie slave cursed with a depressed human brain and flesh body).
As for the rest of the list: I appreciate the effort, but would it have been much harder to use an unordered list? And do you think it's not possible to gather a big list about China that isn't just as bad or worse?
Just out of curiosity: When you say "USians" IRL, how do you pronounce it? "You-ess-ians"? "Yousians"? "Oosians"?
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Neat buzzword ya got there. Anyway, I acknowledge that you'll continue ignoring 9-9-6. Consider your attempts to dodge it a success. And congrats on your success :)
On a lighter topic: I'm still curious about "USian". Appending a suffix like "ian" to an acronym is unusual in English, but this is the second time I've encountered it on Lemmy. How is it pronounced?
"You-ess-ians" is the way I say it, but I'm a Spaniard so take it with a grain of salt. It's unfair to the rest of the continent being bunched together with the United SSnaKKKes of America. In Spanish we actually usually refer to Yanks as "Estadounidenses".
You're talking like terrible work culture and exploitative working conditions don't exist in America.
And almost half of America approves of trump, what's your point?
Surely you are capable of understanding that 93% is a much greater number than 50%?
I'm so glad the wage slave who made this graphic for Poo Bear survived the nets.
Says the wage slave that fights to defend people like Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. Good job, kid. Of course communing with people, being social is impossible for you, because you are a capitalist. Capitalists love money more than human life.
During Covid:
Which seems more responsible there? And by A LOT.
Every year, to general conflict:
Which are safer? China and Saudi Arabia.
Now, according to World Population Review, Our World Data, the UN and more regarding wealth inequality, the higher the number, the worse (Gini coefficient, 0 would mean everyone has the exact same amount of cash, so, expect it to be a minimum of 20~):
Couldn't find the Gini for Saudi Arabia, but I am sure it's similar to its neighbors, which dingle around the mid 20s or low 30s.
Now look at these 12 war crimes the USA has done:
Am I still supposed to believe America is better? I am a Mexican who is still suffering the consequences of Reagan and Nixon... SO, I'm doing all this for free, not for Xi, but for the truth. The truth is America sucks so, so much more. I used to think otherwise for over 20 years, I fell for the Marvel movies and military movies that painted American soldiers as badass good-will saints. But that's over, and it is exactly people like you that put me in this exact position. So, thank you for that. Keep it up, you are perfect, because you give people like me the opportunity to share all this, and it won't matter how many downvotes it gets, those are just Americans trying to cope, it will convince people like it convinced me. I trust reality and numbers more than your vibe and simplistic NPC one-liner insults like this comment of yours right here. Seriously, keep it up. Don't change.
This graph was made using data from Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Tell me again how much of a Communist, Pro-China these institutions have.
A source so that you get some more whiplash from your cognitive bias
Ask them what happens if you don't approve of the government in China.
This is a laughable comment... Who are you trying to fool?
Sure, buddy, you know more about the methodology of these studies than literal Pew Research and the University of California. Keep going, show us more of your cognitive bias rejecting factual information about the country that your government has deemed evil and bad.
Source (surely Harvard is not an "evil dictator CCP mouthpiece"? Or are you MAGA saying everything is a psyop?)
we all know why people don't choose how they feel in a dictatorship
Surely you know better than the University of California, Pew Research and the Ash Institute, buddy
Source so that you can get educated if you want
I have noticed an uptick in anti-China sentiment recently. Are these bots still trying to convince people that China bad, America better? Like, come on, just look at these numbers:
During Covid:
Which seems more responsible there? And by A LOT.
Every year, to general conflict:
Which are safer? China and Saudi Arabia.
Now, according to World Population Review, Our World Data, the UN and more regarding wealth inequality, the higher the number, the worse (Gini coefficient, 0 would mean everyone has the exact same amount of cash, so, expect it to be a minimum of 20~):
Couldn't find the Gini for Saudi Arabia, but I am sure it's similar to its neighbors, which dingle around the mid 20s or low 30s.
Now look at these 12 war crimes the USA has done:
As a Mexican struggling really hard because of the insane amount of damage the USA has done to us, Reagan and Nixon forcing us to join this pointless war on drugs just so we'd live in fear and work for you cheap, the whole Operation Fast & Furious under Gorge Bush, you promising us that you will save us for over 50 years, inflating your chest and whatnot, yet, your army lost to the Taliban after a decade of fighting them, to some Vietnamese farmers too, they didn't win the 1812 War, the Korean Wars (a stalemate, a really embarrassing one because the US had literally about 21 countries fighting in their side against the Soviets and China, and it was a god damn stalemate, dude, make some sense of that), they lost to Fidel Castro in the Bay of Pigs Invasion, the Iran Hostage Crisis from 1979, the Iraq War, lost the War on Drugs and also Terror, which is costing the USA trillions of dollars a year to fix today and still ongoing, to Vietnam, to Canada in 1812, Lebanon in 1982, Somalia in 1992, Afghanistan in 2001, the Operation Eagle Claw is never forgotten either, struggled so hard in Granada and Panama in the 1980s, struggling and clearly losing in Syria too. They also stole the credit of WWII like the typical leech in a dungeon group who only loots the corpses of the enemies at the very end. Oppenheimer's dad was a German-Jewish man, all the main creators of GTA are from Scotland and the UK, hamburgers were created in Hamburg (and wouldn't exist without the invention of the sandwich, which is English), hot-dogs were created in Germany, Stan Lee was the child of two Romanian-born Jews, his values and culture come from that place more than New York City...
And yet, I still see so many people coping so bad about the American army being "the strongest in the world" and posts like these about China. I used to think the USA was the hero of the world, our "best bet to achieve a utopia due to its cultural diversity and tolerance," lol, but I was wrong, I was naive. I even cried for Bradley Cooper's character in American Sniper, but then, I just remember that that dude killed so many innocent people that were forced to do evil to survive or reclaim their dignity... Like, what the hell is all this, seriously? These posts, these comments, these people, are they real? Do people still think the American Dream is a thing? You already lost me and so many more. I know a lot of you will say you don't care because I am a Mexican and I should be "fixing my own country instead of caring about yours" as I constantly get told by MAGAs. Thing is, if I want to help and save my country, I have to look at you, the biggest root of all. The biggest terrorist group in the entire world: The 'United' States of America.
After suffering so much, I'd prefer to live in China than the USA, I don't care about the censorship and authoritarian nonsense. It is what you people need because you are way too unruly, too messy, too chaotic. Over 20% of teachers in the USA have quit their job the past few years because these new generations of children are making them quit. I could go on and on about how horrible the USA is, it's super easy to be honest, it's tiringsome too. So, whenever I see posts like this one and comments glazing the American Army or even the government as a whole, I can't help but cringe so hard. I can't believe this is still a thing anymore. Wake up, it's over. America is nothing but a joke, a bad one. Stop coping, bro. I used to hate China so hard, but now, after I saw Trump win AGAIN, I completely gave up on you, all of you, every single one, because you lied to me through my entire life. I remember TV channels talking about China negatively only, showing the smog they had in 2010, the contamination and all that. I keep getting shown videos of Chinese people ignoring someone who got into an accident. I keep getting told that China sucks, that everyone there is living bad and unhappy. And now I see this post, trying to tell me that the government sucks so bad, yet they are more effective at protecting and pleasing their people than the USA. Why? What the hell is the point of all this?
Americans are really not that different from us, Mexicans. I see you both as equals. The exact same thing. You behave and sound very alike. You also share the same level of intelligence and loyalty to your country. Please, get me out of here. There is no money or no job that fits my skills of 3D modeling, creating gaming AIs like GOAP, Utility, FSM... I try so hard to create an indie game, just like I wrote books and had a shot at so many ideas to make money, I went to the ITESM which is the Harvard of Latin America, a lot of rich Americans go there themselves, I got there with a scholarship of 80%, I was very lucky and unlucky at the same time, because even though I graduated as a Software Engineer, I am still surrounded by a severe lack of opportunities, stability and people who rather see my little brother who has Down Syndrome dead. It's not worth working for you, to be honest. Posts like these only inspire me to seek support with my local Mexican cartels, because they are the only ones offering me a chance to enjoy my wasted youth. All my 20s wasted in mediocrity and dullness, because money is not moving, money is being used to fund wars and bomb children in Gaza. Some sources I saw here in Lemmy said we only need 93 billion USD a year to solve World Hunger, yet you spent over 20 trillion USD in the military over the past decade. That is about 10% of the budget to solve World Hunger over the same decade. You paid all that with your taxes, and you feed that machine by not doing anything about it at all. I only have respect for Luigi Mangione, and to me, there is no such thing as an "innocent" person in this world anymore. Not even a newborn. It is thanks to posts like these, people with mindsets like that, that I keep getting pushed to believe that the only way to make people understand and never forget that greed should be stopped as soon as possible, is by living through the worst yourselves. That's the difference between sympathy and empathy. Sympathetic people ONLY care when the bad thing like losing a child or whatever happens to them FIRST. Empathetic people, on the other hand, can imagine that pain without having lived that experience yet. This is why empathetic people are worth more than sympathetic ones. There should also be a cap on wealth, 10 million USD is a lot, but is a good start. That is literally almost 200 million MXN pesos. With that amount you can build 3 or 4 schools with your name on it. Wanna build a mall or something bigger? Be a human and work with people that think like you. Nobody should rely on a few billionaires, etc.
You sound like an emotionally unstable schizo who stopped taking their meds. Get some help bro
Bro you have zero comments and your account is 7 days old.
Also I love my motherland, I hate the government.
Are you seriously trying to argue who is worse? I am pretty sure that US is way worse but China definitely sucks.
If do find you last comment enlightened. Yes we are not that much different. In fact China pumped out more billionaires than the US this year. Just two imperialist fascist countries sitting in a tree.
China per capita is way worse than the US, and it's not particularly close either.
Yes dude, I am. The world would be a much better place if the USA was replaced with China and I am goddamn tired of pretending it "wouldn't." I am on the verge of death thanks to people like you and you're still trying to convince me that the country that loses more than 22,000+ people a year to violence, not natural causes, is better than the country with 4x times the population size, yet a quarter of that death toll a year compared to the USA, the supposedly and self-called "#1 country in the world."
Do not even try to equate them, dude. You sound exactly like the people that say "Kamala Harris would've been the exact same as Trump." Literally.
I don't like facism whether it is the US or China. I hate dictatorships. I hate for life presidents. I hate one party governments. I hate having to trust in the idea of a benevolent dictatorship. I want a government that fears the people and leaderships can be easily replaced as opposed to becoming centralized under one person because fuck kings.
You will never get that. Just look at all the people replying and downvoting me. They are fucking scared of even listening to me praising violence and shitting on the US heavily. It angers them so much, it pisses them off. You will not be alive to see any of this, because you are surrounded by this.
We can totally agree to disagree but the way the current Chinese government came to power was very brutal. We are talking 2 to 40 million dead depending how you calculate the loss of life.
No country is perfect and China is far from one.
I find it strange you would attribute the rise of China to their internal policies as opposed to the reality of them taking advantage of US and other foreign investments. China is great because of the US not despite it.
You sound like someone who is a pick me for China. This often happens when westerners get disillusioned with the US. Which I think is easy to do. They will look into some other country to latch onto.
For instance, I am guilty of looking up to some Western European countries policies and idealizing them. I was once also very enamored with socialism. I still am in a lot of ways.
I mean you can say the same for america
Eh, I'll be honest the English language is so dumb tbh, no offense to westerners, but wtf is all the weird grammar and spelling and pronunciations...
But yea if you put aside politics, almost everywhere has something good about it.
English is three languages in a trench coat mugging other languages for more words. That's why it's so fucky, also there have been attempts to reform the language but outside of the Webster Oxford split most of the time it's only effected a word or two resulting in weirdnes like with solder/sodder/soder which are all ways of saying and spelling the same fucking word.
It's frankly a miracle nearly every dialect is intelligible with eachother if folks slow down their speech, though mines so fucken scuffed it breaks speech to text.
I've always found it ironic how much we actually have in common with our adversaries
Poor people suffering, same tale as most of the world.
Except Nordic countries, they figured it out somehow...
I would also put Chinese infrastructure and build quality in the middle too. While you do see a lot of cool shit they are building, you see a lot of there shit fall over because of a lite breeze.
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