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SpaceX's Starlink satellite internet constellation has lost more than two hundred satellites in low Earth orbit (LEO) since July, according to data from a satellite tracking website. This is the first time that Starlink has lost a significant number of satellites in a short time period, and these losses are typically influenced by solar flares that cause changes in orbit and damage or destroy the spacecraft. The nature of the satellites, i.e. their model, is unclear, and if they are the newer Starlink satellites that SpaceX regularly launches, then the firm will have to conduct at least nine Falcon 9 launches to make up for the satellites lost.

Since it is a SpaceX subsidiary, Starlink has rapidly built the world's largest LEO satellite internet constellation and the world's largest satellite constellation by rapidly launching them through the Falcon 9 rocket. However, upgrades to the spacecraft and constraints with the Falcon 9 have reduced the number of satellites that the firm can launch, with its latest launches seeing roughly 22 satellites per launch for a nearly one-third reduction over the 60 satellites that SpaceX launched during the early days of the Starlink buildout.

The newer satellites are second-generation spacecraft that SpaceX received the launch authorization from the FCC less than a year back. They are more powerful and are thus larger and heavier than the earlier satellites, which limits the Falcon 9 ability to squeeze large numbers inside a single payload fairing.

Satellites in orbit or space have to face off against various hazards that can damage or put them out of commission. SpaceX faced one such event in February 2022, when a solar flare damaged at least 40 of the recently launched satellites. SpaceX confirmed this and shared that the heat from the solar flare increased atmospheric density and made it impossible for the satellites to maintain their trajectory.

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[-] echo64@lemmy.world 98 points 2 years ago

Every time I read anything about starlink, it all just seems so quintessentially American.

You've got effective monopolies of communication infrastructure, which causes everyone to be underserved, and instead of just fixing the monopoly problem, you fire off infinite rockets full of cell towers that burn up in a year

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 years ago

I'm angry at you because I'm about to defend an Elon Musk project... But Starlink is used in many countries. (in)Famously in Ukraine. The idea has merit for anyone living in remote areas (northern Canada, war-torn areas, etc.).

[-] echo64@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

Ukraine is a fantastic example of how bad the whole thing is playing out. Remote areas are always better served by actual infrastructure investment however.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 years ago

It doesn't help to have infrastructure if it's destroyed by war.

[-] Kichae@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago

The idea has merit for anyone living in remote areas (northern Canada, war-torn areas, etc.)

I will grant you war torn areas, and remote islands, but rural continental communities are better served with terrestrial infrastructure. Just because someone's willing to fill the sky with space junk as a means of masturbation doesn't mean it's the best solution for public infrastructure.

[-] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 years ago

Laying 200km of fiber for a town of ~1000 will always be more expensive than it is worth (for an ISP) and that math only gets worse when you look at last-leg hookups for people spread out ~5km apart around the area and not living directly in the town.

[-] Sekoia 22 points 2 years ago

... which is maybe why things that are essentially critical to a developed country's lifestyle probably shouldn't simply be companies. If we go off of "it's not profitable", public transport wouldn't be any good, postal services would suck, etc.

The internet should be a public service like mail.

Also, in the US they paid the ISPs to hook everyone up to fiber, and then they just... didn't.

[-] geosoco@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Terrestrial includes wireless solutions, which are better suited for many last-leg hookups in situations like these.

Sure, there's a lot of places where these won't work (eg. mountainous areas), but there are also questions about whether people living that remotely even want broadband or wireless.

[-] deleted@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Do you think xfinity grade router would do 5km?

Also, serving a community of 2k people as far as 1000 km might cost hundreds of millions. So I don’t believe the 2k community would be happy to pay $5k each monthly to make it profitable for the ISP.

Look up LMG when linus wanted to connect two warehouses that are meters apart with entry level networking solution.

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[-] CoderKat@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I agree for some definitions of rural, but I don't know if you have an idea on just how remote rural can mean. Try looking around northern Ontario in Google maps if you've never done it before. It's fascinating. So many tiny towns that are only reachable by boat or plane. They're not islands, but they might as well be, with how isolated they are.

But even for towns that aren't nearly so remote, no company is going to lay down quality infrastructure to accommodate every random farm that is spread several dozens of kilometers away from the nearest city. Even without capitalism, it's an expensive use of resources to connect isolated areas.

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[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Building rural infrastructure is incredibly expensive. I grew up about 25 miles from the nearest city, and to this day there are still no cell towers or broadband in the area. Just dial up internet that maxes out at 28.8 baud running over copper twisted pair. It's frankly archaic.

My parents inquired with the local telco, and for 7 miles of fiber I believe they wanted to charge somewhere around $13 million for their rural neighborhood - just for the trenching. For like 20 farms.

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[-] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 15 points 2 years ago

As much as this is true, this is also a solution that's doesn't have a lot of alternatives for very isolated areas. You can technically run undersea cables to everywhere, but it's actually faster and easier to have LEO satellites serve places like Antarctica. Some smaller island nations, the middle of Africa, etc.

There are problems with every solution, but this was always an inevitable solution for worldwide communication.

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[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I wouldn't say I'm underserved (I live in a tech hub). Overcharged? Definitely.

Rural folks do have a hard time without satellite though, and one thing a lot of Europeans do not viscerally realize about the States is how big the country is, and how much empty space there is.

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[-] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 8 points 2 years ago

I kinda wish the Capitalism dev team would patch out the ExternalitiesAreHardToTrack cheat code. It's been abused for centuries and yeah, it's hard to fix, but there are quite a lot of upvotes on its bug tracker, and only a few billionaire downvotes.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 years ago

Okay, so is this actual news, or just reporting on the fact that starlink satellites have a 5 year lifespan by design? Because this reads like the numerous other articles out there that are ignoring the fact that satellites need fuel to stay in low earth orbit, and that fuel eventually runs out.

I dislike musk as much as the next guy, but let’s not pretend this is something it isn’t.

[-] geosoco@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago

I get your point, but I suspect there's more here than just lifespan. I don't think we know the reason but the article says this:

As a comparison, only 248 satellites had burned up at the start of this year, so the number destroyed during the last two months is higher than the figure for the first seven months of the year.

If 200 over the span of 2 months is "normal" then I have questions about the financial viability of the project.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago

It kinda depends on what we are considering a starlink satellite. They did launch a batch of satellites that experienced some issues, and some of them did come down. Iirc those were new models that were going up for the first time.

That said, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it. Firstly because we are talking about less than a percentage point of the total, and second because once the bugs are ironed out, a different company that isn’t run by a moron will likely step in to do a better job.

[-] serratur@lemmy.wtf 4 points 2 years ago

Firstly because we are talking about less than a percentage point of the total

(200 / 5000) * 100 = 4%

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[-] TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 38 points 2 years ago

I srsly dont want the internet infra to be controlled by the dick headed person.

[-] I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Luckily he's not the majority stakeholder.

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[-] DavidGA@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

This is a complete non story. They have a design life of only a few years. They have already been replaced in orbit with upgraded ones.

Total clickbait.

[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago

"And this is how we trapped ourselves in our own planet"

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Well at least it's a habitable planet, right?

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[-] Gsus4@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's ok, we were already trapped in our planet. There is no planet B..unless you don't mind living in high-tech caves :) on Earth they're called "vaults".

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[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Wow, I didn't realize they're already at more than 5000 satellites. Crazy numbers.

[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Do they deorbit? Or did musk just pollute our orbit for no reason whatsoever?

[-] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

They deorbit very quickly.

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[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I’m no expert by any means but it seems incredibly wasteful that we build satellites, then expel tons of CO2 into the atmosphere to get them into orbit, only for them to just burn up after a few years.

We can’t even reclaim the material because it literally burns and disintegrates as it’s falling out of orbit.

Seriously what the fuck are we doing???

[-] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago

Burning things creatively.

[-] Gerula@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

So billionaires filling Earth 's orbit with junk ...

[-] tills13@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

luckily LEO junk will be pulled into Earth's atmosphere without propulsion

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Sounds like a lot of space debris :(

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