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[-] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 143 points 3 weeks ago

Bootstraps, folks! Microsoft is basically BEGGING you to try Linux, and it's now easier than ever - even easier than installing Windows!

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

Unfortunately the inevitable enshitification of our lives by capitalism will continue, even if we remove it from our lives as much as we are able.

What microsoft does to its products, it also does to our governments and civil liberties, social media does to society and democracy, data brokers do to privacy, zillow does to housing security, wallstreet does to economic mobility and financial regulations, etc, etc, etc.

[-] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

you know, i always wondered why of all places to attack, they chose the twin towers. starting to understand it now.

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[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 127 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

LibreOffice

And perfectly working software that covers whatever else MS365 offers, e.g. Thunderbird

I'd love for more people to change to Linux, but these are all (also) Windows software.

[-] Undaunted@feddit.org 28 points 3 weeks ago

And if you need it in a browser, there is Collabora, which exists as a paid business version with support or a free non-support version, that can easily be deployed with Nextcloud. Another alternative would be CryptPad.

If you also need your mails in your browser, there are multiple providers like mailbox.org that offer mail encryption even through the online mail interface.

[-] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Sometimes I find myself annoyed by Lemmy users. We love to tout foss alternatives, even when they don't work as well, or aren't nearly as polished.

Libre office is a different story, it has everything you'll need, it's really complete, it does everything you want and it can read any format you throw at it and save its output in any format you need. It launches faster than Microsoft office, it's more stable, I really have absolutely no complaints, everyone should be using it.

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Libre doesn't support IDM, nor provide email, nor MFA, nor CAM, nor MDM, nor storage.

M365 Business Premium is a LOT more than Office Documents.

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

GNOME Evolution is also a good outlook alternative and am pretty sure it was made as a open source alternative to outlook

[-] fluckx@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Has it gotten a makeover yet? Last time I used it ~3 years ago it still looked like it was built in the early 90s.

It was functional, not a complaint about that. The super old design just got on my nerves.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

Depends on the GTK theme ig?

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[-] raynethackery@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago

I wish I had fuck you money. I'd use it to bankroll the development of LibreOffice and all the other alternatives to MS365 and get them integrated. Then I'd start a massive training program to teach people how to use them.

[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The french government is kinda doing that right now

[-] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Libre le France

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[-] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 42 points 3 weeks ago

Google offers workspace for free to nonprofits, Including device management. No one, I know in nonprofits even fucks with Microsoft because they’re so ridiculous. Now it’ll be even less people.

Google now has the market cornered because they aren’t as greedy.

[-] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago

Google is so fuckin greedy lmao

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes, but it's essentially the difference between the greed of an ancient red wyrm, (Microsoft) and an adolescent white wyrm. (Alphabet)

The white guy is almost a cutie next to the red one. They're still both chromatic dragons, and therefore evil. One is just leaning more towards lawful evil, and the other seems to have embraced chaotic evil

[-] CaliforniaSober@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago

Ah cool Google. We’re all set then. Totally different…

[-] obvs@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Google offered Workspace free to individuals. I set that up and used it for my family, and then BAM! After a lomg time using it, they removed the free plan, once we were using it for logins for a bunch of sites and for our emails. Went from free to $50 per month. It took a LOT of effort to get my family off of that. Never again.

[-] Guidy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Hey remember when Google used to have a motto, "Don't be evil"?

Used to.

[-] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Sure, once, but that... Was a long time ago

[-] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 3 weeks ago

They aren't as greedy yet. It will come.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I've read horror stories of an employee doing something on their own personal account and Google locking out the whole business. Hopefully they fixed that idea because it would sink business uptake.

[-] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 5 points 3 weeks ago

I made accounts for my board of directors, two of them got "permanently suspended" because of "violating the TOS" before they even logged in. Had to delete and recreate them. So it's not perfect, but for free, I do manage.

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

The biggest problem with Google's offerings is their total lack of support.

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[-] altphoto@lemmy.today 34 points 3 weeks ago

Open office, libre office.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 weeks ago

Yet again, I laugh, and remark 'People still use Windows? People still use MSFT products?'

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Sadly. An example: I work at a small school that does not have an IT department. Staff and teachers are nearly IT-illiterate, and the students can hardly be coaxed to do stuff on a laptop instead of their phones. So installing Linux would add an additional hurdle for both. Probably much smaller than they think, but still: it heightens the threshold to even consider switching to Linux.

There's a few people who know that Linux is just as valid as Windows, but who would they trust to make the switch safely. Me? I'm not a professional. So they'd have to pay someone, properly. And then it all comes down to money again which usually comes down to "let's not change anything".

So for now I'd just be happy if they used LibreOffice instead of MS365.

The same goes for Google Workspace. Making the effort to roll your own (totally possible with FOSS) would require to pay at least 1 person, and some sort of transitional period. It's cheaper and easier to pay none and just blame it on Google when things don't work as desired. These people just don't see it as a priority. Don't understand the dangers.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yep.

MSFT will continue to enshittify, people who point out this will happen will be poo-poo'd because switching would be complicated and costly...

... But, having to panic switch sometime down the road, because an entire class of software features or pricing models drastically alter with little warning...

... Well then, in the long run, it would have been less costly to start the migration strategy earlier.

I have seen this play out at every single company or non profit I have ever worked at, and I have learned to leave about 6 months after a planned migration/mitigation strategy gets canned as too costly and unnecessary... because usually, 6 months or so after that, every one is now in panic mode, and my workload would triple.

Including literally at MSFT itself.

The managers and corporate don't know anything other than maximize short term profits, and have astounding levels of normalcy bias; even if you can present a well resesrched, realistic scenario with detailed costs over time for different strategies... they basically always assume things will just be fine, untill its far too late.

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[-] Kit 12 points 3 weeks ago

There's really no competitor for large orgs with robust technology needs.

[-] homesnatch@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

There are absolutely large orgs in the Google and Apple ecosystems. My org, for example, doesn't use Microsoft except for a smattering of Excel and Word subscriptions to deal with some customer documents that aren't handled well by Google Docs and Google Sheets.

[-] Cort@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, anyone who uses Excel on a professional level can tell you Google sheets etc are NO substitute for Excel. Just so many things the competitors just can't do

[-] homesnatch@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

For financials, only the companies still in the dark ages depend on Excel rather than real ERP or accounting software.

Sheets handles pretty much all typical business needs, but we do run into issues if we're collaborating with another company that is using macros or something in Excel.

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[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

Yesterday, I finally talked my parents into canceling MS356 and switching to LibreOffice and Thunderbird.

Now, the excessive subscription fees for MS365 goes to them instead.

If Microsoft keeps this up, I might even manage to persuade them to switch to Linux at some point.

[-] drascus@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 weeks ago

Thankfully libreoffice

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

Microsoft has no soul. I'm going to guess that Google will follow suit. There is no class solidarity quite like corporate class solidarity. Fuck all these companies.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

So that's why Gates said he would donate money once he dies

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

I don't trust any of these "giving pledges" upon death. In name, their fortunes will pass on to nonprofits. Nonprofits controlled by their family members, which comes down to letting them keep their inheritances tax-free. This even happens in Europe.

[-] Guidy@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Yup it's mostly bullshit. Someone, somewhere might benefit, but certainly not any of the people within two thousands miles of where the rich guy lived. Which is still better than nothing, but Bill Gates could end homelessness in America immediately if he chose to do so. (I'm not saying it would be easy or fast, just that he has the money to make it happen.) He could make ALL COLLEGE FREE for students. Musk could have too, likely for less than he spent on Twitter.

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[-] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago

If old rich fucks had giving in their hearts, they would want to see some good shit done with the fruits of their “labor” (lol) while they are alive.

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[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

lame. The web versions suck.

[-] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 weeks ago

I thought from the headline that it was just a downgrade to Business Standard, no this is to Business Basic! That's a huge yikes, it's so much harder to be productive in those web versions.

I honestly would not be surprised if users work out installing LibreOffice et al. so they can still have a desktop app experience because of this move.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

I wonder if the amount of SharePoint storage will be impacted by such a license chance too. One of my clients at work will be very unhappy with these changes especially if it means they have to buy more SharePoint storage

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Lure them in, pull the rug, harvest profits.

[-] OwOhollyShiitake@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 weeks ago

Actually I think this isn't exactly news. The university I go to, which is technically a foundation, had MS365 pulled last year IIRC and sent us all scrambling to find alternatives.

It didn't bother me too much because I had already fully transitioned to LibreOffice, but my classmates were furious because they didn't want to lose the "seamless online editing experience". I told them to either use LibreOffice or move to Google Docs, but they didn't like the idea and most (if not all) of them purchased MS365 subs. I unfortunately had to budge and get one too, because we needed to get some work done ASAP. I can't wait until I graduate (should be soon-ish?) to stop paying for that crap.

But yeah. IIRC they started by reducing the amount of storage the university got, meaning they had to quickly delete data from past classes (fortunately I managed to back up quite a bit), and then one day they suddenly sent everyone an email saying "you don't have access to MS365 anymore lol get fucked"

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[-] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

scream in John Malkovich's voice:

"FUCK MICROSOFT"

On the flip side, please keep digging yourself in a hole, Microsoft. More incentive to join Linux for us users.

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[-] Charlxmagne@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Micropenis still thinking they can use their "monopoly" to their advantage is cute. Js giving Linux and other competitors a higher marketshare for free

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