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[-] rasakaf679@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago

You miss spelled it... Its not quiet quitting... Its doing what's necessary and nothing excess.. if you aren't paid for it

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Exactly. Workers are doing their jobs! Gasp!

[-] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Considering that work ethic literally kills people: Good.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

"kills" ... This is still occurring, let's use the present tense.

[-] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

I don't know if this was the intention, but that came off a bit condescending in my opinion. I completely agree with you, present tense would have been more apt (I'm going to edit it to fix it), but I resent the way your correction was presented. If that was not your intention, I apologize. I'm tired this morning.

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Good job working class Japan 👏 full support burn the tyranny of the rich down. Starting a Global workering class revolt 👊

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 9 points 1 day ago

"Quiet quitting" is not a trend. Like, at all. If you have a coworker that doesn't want to do their job, your employer has a shitty employee. That's it, an isolated incident. The term itself is basically the same as boomers screeching about how "nobody wants to work anymore"...

[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

nobody wants to work anymore

I just fire back with "nobody wants to pay us anymore" now.

[-] Ordinary_Person@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Someone recently used that dumb phrase when telling me about not being able to get timely service at a restaurant. I said to them, "Well maybe they would want to if they were paid honest wages for honest work?" and we haven't talked since. I don't think we're going to be friends anymore.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago

I think it’s a bit of a misnomer. It’s not that people are abandoning their jobs, it’s that they are abandoning the toxic mindset that says line must go up, that good people are good worker drones for their superiors, etc. It’s more like quitting your career but keeping your job even if in a half-assed way.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If you have a coworker that doesn’t want to do their job, your employer has a shitty employee.

I think it's less that people don't want to do any work at all or less than the "minimum" (except for some rare cases), and more that people are doing only the minimum, not putting in any extra effort, not going above and beyond - because their salaries are stagnating, their employers are only paying them the minimum and not a cent more, and their extra efforts are going unrecognized. Ask me how I know. I have seen it myself personally, multiple times at multiple companies, and I have seen it through my friends experiences as well.

In unions, it's called work-to-rule. Most jobs/companies don't have unions, so we get "quiet quitting" instead. The more conditions stay the same, or the worse they become, the worse the "quiet quitting" becomes.

If you want to motivate your employees, reward them. Give them something to strive towards. Reward their extra efforts! Don't just give them the bare minimum and hope that they will keep going above and beyond for you, because that's not realistic and it's not sustainable.

[-] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

FYI the "Japanese crazy long hours and hard work ethic" BS only applies to corporate jobs.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-work-week-by-country

[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 days ago

we should normalize to punch everyone in the gut who uses the words "quiet quitting".

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Heh, I've seen this personally. I work for a Japanese company, and part of my job is coordinating tooling installations with the factory I'm stationed at (pick a chip fab in the US, I've probably been there). When we get a tool onsite, I get an install team directly from our factory in Japan who handles all the physical installation aspects. They work hard, efficiently, and with the utmost care for the finer details (some of these tools are expected to last 20+ years - we have a few that have been in production for nearly as long with very little fuss). Occasionally, they will finish their tasks early the last couple days and take off after lunch, letting me know of this beforehand and that their daily reports will be sent to me and other relevant managers at the "usual" time, with a wink and a nod.

I don't care how much time they clock, as long as shit gets done properly. Haven't had any issues.

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[-] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 188 points 2 days ago

Fuck the term quiet quitting. Call it what it is, doing your job.

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[-] tamman2000@lemm.ee 53 points 2 days ago

This is what happens in societies that have increasing income inequality.

Why should workers feel compelled to bust their asses when it benefits their bosses, but not themselves?

[-] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 33 points 2 days ago

The Japanese work ethic doesn't even make sense and does more harm than good. If you don't have time for yourself or family the society will collapse (already happening). To be clear, I'm not talking about being diligent work, but working 8+ hours every single day.

Many Japanese don't leave work at 5pm even though those are the official business hours because it's rude to leave before the boss leaves. So people stay at work until 7 or 8pm. Many times having to also go drinking with co-workers or the boss. So, depending on the day, you may end up with 1-2 hours for yourself. No wonder they aren't having children, and depression rates are sky high.

Same applies to Korea.

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago

It was probably higher before, but it wasn't as acceptable to say it as it is today.

[-] TeddE@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

You're basically right. Back when unions were a thing, they dubbed this behavior "working your wage" I.e. not volunteering for unpaid labor. "Quiet quitting" is a neologism designed by a think tank to shift the burden of responsibility to the employee

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 207 points 2 days ago

From what I’ve read, Japan’s work ethic has been more about presenteeism than productivity for a while. While long hours are the norm, it’s more important to be seen to be working than to be productive, so you don’t leave before the boss does, but you do spend a large amount of that time staring out the window or otherwise idling.

I worked at a place where basically every other department would stand in the lobby at 4:58 PM, waiting for accounting (which was on the other side of the building) to leave. If you didn't wait, the CEO would likely see you from his office window and you'd be getting a "talking to" by your supervisor the next day. I have never before or since worked anywhere where I've seen so much collective time wasting, trying to keep up the appearance of being busy.

This was an American company. I don't miss that shit hole in the slightest.

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[-] xep@fedia.io 126 points 2 days ago

The phrase "quiet quitting" really grinds my gears. Are you fulfilling the terms of your employment contract? Yes? Then you're working, and haven't quit.

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[-] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 91 points 2 days ago

Japan has strong worker protections. It is very difficult to fire an employee in Japan, without showing that the employee committed a crime. Employees can do practically nothing at work and still get paid. Call in sick as much as they want and the only penalty is not getting paid sick days once they run out of paid sick leave and vacation days. If an employer does mass layoffs, they have to show that the company is on the verge of bankruptcy and they have tried everything else, including reducing the pay of executives or removing executive positions before firing employees. Elon Musk is in hot water in Japan for mass firing Twitter employees in Japan. He violated Japanese labor laws.

[-] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

Yea instead of firing you they'll try their hardest to get you to quit. They'll send you to the 追い出し部屋.

[-] Frog@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 days ago

So when the CEO of Nintendo cut his salary due to the poor sales of the Wii U and every American tech writer praised him for it, that was just common practice in Japan?

[-] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 44 points 2 days ago

They have to try reducing or eliminating the costs at the upper levels before trying to fire the wage slaves in Japan, so yes.

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[-] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 30 points 2 days ago

Thank goodness. Now when im napping during work I can feel less guilty thinking about Japan doing it too.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

When you're napping, know that someone in Japan is also asleep, but largely because of the time change.

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 129 points 2 days ago

From the original reporting in the Japan Times:

Some 45% of full-time employees in Japan are “quiet quitters” — workers doing the bare minimum to meet their job requirements

Oh, no! People are doing their jobs! What a disaster!

[-] doctortofu@reddthat.com 52 points 2 days ago

I much prefer the term "acting your wage". I'm not doing the bare minimum - I'm doing what I'm paid for. You want me to do more? Guess what, there's one way to motivate me to do so...

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[-] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 78 points 2 days ago

Yea, every article using the term quiet quitting is getting a down vote. Doing what you're paid for is simply doing your job. This is basically akin to getting mad you didn't get a tip. A TIP IS OPTIONAL.

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