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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/29626776

["fierce opposition"? Don't bet on it.]

By TIA GOLDENBERG and SAM MEDNICK
Updated 5:25 AM EDT, May 5, 2025

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Israel approved plans on Monday to capture the entire Gaza Strip and remain in the territory for an unspecified amount of time, two Israeli officials said, in a move that if implemented would vastly expand Israel’s operations in the Palestinian territory and likely bring fierce international opposition.

Israeli Cabinet ministers approved the plan in an early morning vote, hours after the Israeli military chief said the army was calling up tens of thousands of reserve soldiers.

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[-] modernangel@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 days ago

As if that wasn't the goal all along. The UN finally got around to calling it genocide, and still nobody's actually lifting a finger to stop it - so why sugar-coat their intentions any longer.

[-] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

It's genocide. Just say it.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 48 points 5 days ago

So, that's what it's like to live through a state sponsored genocide. Apocalyptic for the victims, banal for the rest.

[-] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 42 points 5 days ago

This was the plan the whole time; genocide and conquest.

[-] NotKyloRen@lemmy.zip 22 points 5 days ago

Remember when everyone was like, "What??? They would never do that!"

[-] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

There'll be people denying that's the plan while the death camps are open. Just like Nazis kept denying the Holocaust the whole time, and even after the fact.

They must deny that their targets even exist, to further depersonalization, so they don't even have the dignity of being acknowledged as an oppressed minority. "We didn't do it, because they don't exist; and if they did, we would be in our rights to enact our final solution for them."

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

There'll be people denying that's the plan while the death camps are open. Just like Nazis kept denying the Holocaust the whole time, and even after the fact.

This seems appropos

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/wenn_das_der_F%C3%BChrer_w%C3%BCsste

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[-] Guidy@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Sure don't.

I do remember thinking that any of my fellow Americans who refused to vote for Kamala because she wasn't anti-Israel enough for them were super fucking stupid because electing Trump obviously OBVIOUSLY O B V I O U S L Y would lead to this exact outcome.

That's what I remember.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 6 points 4 days ago

This was obviously the outcome no matter who was elected. Israel has always been very clear about this.

Israeli officials were waiting for Trump to get elected so they could act with a free hand. This is untrue.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Israeli officials were waiting for Trump to get elected so they could act with a free hand.

Biden offered no pressure to Israel. They already had a free hand.

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 2 points 3 days ago

Yeah Trump is worse, but you can't blame someone for refusing to vote for a candidate supporting genocide

[-] TsarVul@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago

Damn, so full annexation of the Gaza strip. Someone should tell them that that's against the UN charter. They might get a strongly worded email if they're not careful. Shit, they might even lose their membership!

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 days ago
[-] drdalek@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 5 days ago

"New plan" like this wasn't always the end goal

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 40 points 5 days ago
[-] brendansimms@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago

Yea this has been the plan since 1897 as stated at the first zionist conference

New plan? What was the old one, a fucking field trip?

[-] bfg9k@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

sniff

Something smell like genocide in here

[-] Franklin@lemmy.ca 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

well I held my vote for the Democrats, i don't know what else you want me to do.

/s

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

Good thing the dems made it easy by putting the interests of a foreign genocidal apartheid state before their voters. With a bit of luck, we might be able to successfully blame everyone but them, and they might be confident enough to repeat the same strategy and lose the next election as well.

[-] timmy_dean_sausage@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

They are receiving plenty of blame. In the mean time, we get to watch Trump destroy our country, cheer on the genocide in Gaza, and openly flirt with invading our allies. All thanks to the morons that bought into propaganda telling them not to vote.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

So you’re saying the democrats are receiving proper blame for supporting the genocidal state, but it’s the people who didn’t vote for either of the pro-genocide candidates that are to blame?

Why do so many people constantly just misframe this argument as “it’s the people who didn’t vote’s fault!” And not the fault of the actual people in power for not standing up to a genocide, for once again moving right to capture a “centrist swing” voter, for parading out the fucking neocons as proof of their ability to fucking govern, and for openly arming the genocide?

You want to lay blame at voters’ feet, but not the people who couldn’t do enough to earn the votes of people…asking not to be involved in genocide. Our votes aren’t theirs to fucking have no matter what they do. What they have done and will do in power matters. If it doesn’t, what the fuck is the point of voting? Why not just trade places back and forth for increasingly bold warmongers and autocrats?

Don’t blame the voter for not sacrificing their morals and for not holding their nose and saying maybe they wont keep contributing to genocide. Blame the people fucking supporting genocide.

[-] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I blame them for making my minority friends fear for the lives they've built in the us.

I blame them for making my trans sister fear for her life.

I blame them for allowing republicans to completely destroy social services and vital parts of the US government.

There was so much more at stake than continued genocide in a country half way around the world.

They deserve at least some of the blame, because they allowed all this to happen.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Ask yourself why you dont blame the party that decided to base their platform on supporting genocide. The dems chose the interests of a foreign nation committing genocide before the minority and trans community and the interest of their constituents in general.

[-] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

If you're dumb enough not to hold your nose for a presidential election, I don't want want to waste my time.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I did hold my nose and voted for Kamala but I shouldnt have to. Thats my problem with it. I had to vote for genocide to try and stop trump and I hated it. Why couldnt we get a situation where we voted for better medicare and to stop trump.

Face it, the dems choose Israel over you and your loved ones and you're pointing the finger at anyone but them.

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[-] Guidy@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Why do so many people constantly just misframe this argument as “it’s the people who didn’t vote’s fault!”

That's easy, it goes like this:

If you and people like you had all voted for the Democratic candidate instead of witholding your vote because she wasn't anti-Israel enough, Trump would have lost.

Then it continues:

If Trump had lost, this wouldn't be happening.

Therefore:

It's most directly Trump and his Nazi party's fault, but voters who didn't vote for Harris 100% share the blame for helping to elect Trump.

Easy motherfucking peasy.

Oh, you don't like genocide? Then why'd you help enable it? And if you can pull your head out of Gaza's asshole for a minute, why'd you enable the equivalent in the US with millions of deportations?

I suppose you think it's Democratic voters' fault. What, should have have all boycotted the vote so Trump could win harder? Do you think that'd have helped? If Harris came out as super anti-Israel, so that such voters would deign to vote for her, that she'd still have carried enough swing states to win? Because she wouldn't have, that's just reality.

Congrats to everyone who pulled this off; now Gaza, the USA, AND Ukraine are fucked. Well done! Xi and Vlad applaud you too!

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

“They’re both immoral, voting doesn’t make a difference” is how autocracies like Russia come to be.

Vote for the least bad side. It’s that simple. Protest during the primaries, protest after the election, but don’t freaking protest vote by effectively voting for something an order of magnitude worse on your very issues.

Doesn’t matter if Biden/Harris came out and personally handed Netanyahu bombs after hugging him every day… If this is your single issue vote, you vote for the party that doesn’t literally want to flatten Gaza, no matter how bad they are.

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