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Around the world, progressive parties have come to see tight immigration restrictions as unnecessary, even cruel. What if they’re actually the only way for progressivism to flourish?

That the era of low immigration was also the era of progressive triumph is no coincidence. [...] The United States felt more like a cohesive nation to many voters, with higher levels of social trust and national pride, and politicians were able to enact higher taxes on the rich and new benefits like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

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[-] SufferingSteve@feddit.nu 1 points 18 hours ago

Because Danish people are happy, and happy people are more reasonable

[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's always been immigration, people. I've been saying it for years. Everyone, even the most liberal, has a breaking point when it comes to how much immigration they can tolerate before they feel like they are losing their way of life. And the amount of people who would migrate to the developed world if they could is basically unlimited, which ensures that every non-restrictive immigration program will eventually be overwhelmed.

I don't hate immigrants, I love and respect them and I reject the racist narratives of the right. But every country needs to have reasonable restrictions on immigration-especially illegal immigration- or eventually the people will radicalize against immigrants. You can say that's unfair but it's just the facts. Source: every nation that has ever experienced immigration waves.

[-] MBech@feddit.dk 6 points 1 day ago

As a socialist from Denmark, what convinced me to stop supporting immigration was the realization that we're going to see an overwhelming increase in immigration due to climate change, because enormous parts of northern Africa and the Middle East will become uninhabitable. The increase in climate refugees coupled with our absolutely appaling integration policies, made by right-wing parties over the last 30 years, has convinced me we will absolutely fail misserably if we don't stop.

My politicians are simply too inept to be able to handle it, and it will destroy my country in the process.

[-] coriza@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It is hard to read someone acknowledge that some of the reasons people seek refuge is directly result from the wealthiest nations fucking up the planet for profit while the firsts to take the effects are the poor nations that very little contributed to said catastrophe and goes:

"sorry, there is no space for you. It is true that we are ripping the fruit of centuries of imperialism and unchecked destruction of nature and sorry that it affects you guys the most, but we cannot make space and give up the way of life that we killed the planet for"

[-] MBech@feddit.dk 2 points 1 day ago

I don't disagree with that, and I think it's a horrible situation it's putting everyone in, obviously by far the most horrible situation for the people whose home is going to become inhabitable. But realistically, Europe would have to take in too many people. The current population of Northern Africa is roughly 275 million, and the population of the Middle East 500 million. Europe currently has about 742 million people. Doubling that in refugees won't just change our way of life. Society would collapse. Sure, a bunch could go to Asia, but they're already seeing a noticable increase in weather related catastrophes. So I'm not seeing that as a real posibility.

[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, same thing in America too, conservatives would rather run on "immigration is broken" as an issue than actually take productive steps to make immigration work. Ultimately, they know that positioning themselves as the anti-immigration party during an immigration crisis is a winning play.

Why do you think the USA wants to invade Canada? It solve the problem of where their wealthy can move for a while.

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago

Every liberal party that went stricter on immigration lost votes to the fascists in the last election in germany last week.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 2 days ago

sauce? Conservative CDU went hard and won, the center-right–liberal FDP did far worse things and lost, while the Left Party is having record soaring membership.

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago

The CDU had the second worst result since the unification of Germany. And FDP also talked bullshit about immigration. I am confused what you want a source for?

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 2 days ago

IMO "second worst result" for the winning party is more an indication of Germany's growing plurality. And the FDP has way bigger problems with their "d-day" exit fiasco.

I am confused what you want a source for?

A broad correlation that parties who went hard on immigration performed worse (especially when compared to those that went loose, like the Greens).

Sure, but I think it's also true that the high demand for immigration means we should consider increasing quotas on immigration. Make it easier to immigrate legally, while at the same time cracking down on illegal immigration. So a little from both extremes of the issue.

[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I agree with that, up to a reasonable level. Of course, that is where things get tricky because "reasonable" can mean different things to different people.

[-] ace_of_based@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago

"How do progressives win? By being less progressive!"

Am i really reading this? Is it onion-adjacent? Is there a hidden camera somewhere?

[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No, progressives win by not allowing the breakdown of social cohesion to the point that everyday people are wondering what happened to their culture. Places with leftist politicians who acknowledge that their culture has value (like Denmark and Québec) are doing just fine.

[-] ace_of_based@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Hahahahahaha hot damn are you in for it son! Nah who am i kiddin, you'll be be standing with them when they start knockin on doors won't ya?

[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

I'm a union executive and activist for multiple causes like Right to Repair and accessibility-first design of public services. I'm not worried about people questioning my creds.

My culture values speech, equal rights, good public services, and secularism. This is the bare minimum I expect of any newcomer: I do not want people who do not value those things in my culture.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Because the Danes are well educated.

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

That image looks like it would make a badass isometric game.

[-] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Hello, my friend. Stay awhile and listen.

[-] tuxiqae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

Kinda reminds me of Dorf Romantik

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 10 points 3 days ago

Only reading the headline, I wonder if a political party could survive just by gesturing at various current situations incredulously and asking "is this really what you want?!"

[-] RedSnt@feddit.dk 15 points 3 days ago

Just look at the current Danish government, it's a coalition "across the middle", but in reality it just means that the social democrats (Socialdemokratiet of which Mette Frederiksen is party leader), has turned more and more right wing.

[-] phr@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 3 days ago

easy. the danish "liberals" adopted nationalist policies.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 3 days ago

you’re looking for liberalism in social democracy?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 8 points 3 days ago

Social democracy is literally a branch of liberalism

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 3 days ago

third way maybe, but that’s 80s new labour BS while denmark’s is very well-rooted in the old left and standard version of social democracy

[-] Womble@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

The last Danish PM from the Social democrats is married to the son of a UK labour leader (who is also a current labour minister) and she is a member of the UK Labour party. The two parties are very close.

[-] phr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago

i'll start looking for jesus in such cursed times.

[-] kossa@feddit.org 5 points 3 days ago

Yep NYT, what if for progressivism to flourish it needs to be less progressive and more reactionary and fascist?

Deep thoughts with The Deep.

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