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[-] Questy@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago

Perhaps provide some air superiority to back up those suggestions of force concentration?

[-] Sirosky@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago
[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 years ago

they are now on it. It just takes over a year to train pilots, sadly

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

From scratch, sure, but surely am already trained pilot would take significantly less time to learn a new airframe?

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago

It isn’t just about flying a plane.

You’ve got to be certified in each weapon the planes are supplied with. You’ve got to learn the doctrines, then shift to the doctrines, that the planes were built for.

Then you’ve got to resupply the planes. Maintain them. Fix them. Service them. Store them. Debug them. Keep them in the air.

There’s a massive logistical challenge to integrating F-16s into Ukraine.

[-] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Not so much. The doctrine won't be that different. The most pressing matters are air superiority and bombardment. Bombardment they can already do it actually. They can train for the new air superiority tech and see for the rest later.

The mechanics are probably the hardest to train.

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[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

From scratch it would take several years. At least in my country, to train a pilot you have to go to the Military Air Force School to complete an 8 semester long career that won't necessarily grant you a position as a pilot. Of course, with constrained times of war, this can be achieved in less than 4 years, but 1 year seems like a stretch. Now, if you have a vast disposal of trained pilots, I guess you can make it in one year or even less, depending on several factors. The problem is I don't find stats about this case, and even if there are a lot of Ukrainian pilots ready to fly, they are probably not seasoned in combat.

[-] Drusas@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Which is why it's shameful that they didn't start training programs last year.

[-] authed@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Training is needed

[-] ganksy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Tell them behind closed doors not us, shithead!

[-] Alto@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago

I'm going to go off on a limb and say they wouldn't be if it weren't already well known by the enemy

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Is this Ukraine’s war, or America’s?

[-] Sirosky@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago

Unnecessarily reductionist/antagonistic. If you had read the article, you would've known that the Ukrainians themselves agree with the point. And despite what the title says, the U.S. isn't the only of Ukrainian's western partners that thinks a change of strategy in order. This war might be fought primarily by the Ukrainians, but it's also very clearly a collective responsibility of the western world order.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The truth will never be reductionist.

collective responsibility of the western world order.

ie- capitalist imperialism.

[-] Sirosky@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago

Such a bog-standard whataboutism that I couldn't even be bothered to roll my eyes anymore. Thanks for showing your true colors.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Your welcome. My colors are red and black.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Defending those colors means defending against Russia as well

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Yep. I’m against all capitalist imperialism, even China’s. It’s almost like those supporting NATO aren’t really socialists.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

I've read those people have a thought called "critical support" where they're critical against NATO but it's the only logical lifeline for Ukraine and Europe to end the war some day and prevent similar situations.

Personally; I guess that's a theory, who knows 🤷

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I’m gonna do my best to communicate my reasoning.

  1. Socialists are anti capitalist.
  2. NATO is an arm to preserve capitalism.
  3. Socialists cannot support NATO. Despite what Vaush says.

The “critical support” theory is based on the assumption that nations wouldn’t come to Ukraine’s aid if NATO didn’t exist. Some believe that America and by extension NATO, created the conditions that preceded the conflict. Capitalism tends to create problems that it then has to solve. There was no salient reason for NATO to continue its existence after the fall of the Soviet Union, other than to maintain US hegemony.

[-] yata@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

Those colours doesn't seem to go all the way through though. Scratch them for a moment and you will see the colours of the Russian flag appearing.

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 31 points 2 years ago

Both, and Europe's.

Break the peace of Europe and it's an issue for everyone.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I’m watching Putin’s speech at the BRICS summit. The economics of the world is about to change and the American government is about to shutdown. Ukraine is about to be the least of America’s worries.

[-] BitPirate@feddit.de 24 points 2 years ago

Mr Ruble-Nosedive shouldn't give talks about economy.

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[-] yata@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago

Well, that says a lot about you, but nothing at all about actual things happening in reality.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Are you drunk?

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

I’m watching Purim’s speech at the BRICS summit. The economics of the world is about to change and the American government is about to shutdown. Ukraine is about to be the least of America’s worries.

Also, he's dating a supermodel, you wouldn't know her, she goes to school in Canada.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago
[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

I give you credit for bravery, my friend, I wouldn't be anywhere near where you are without satellites broadcasting /s around me.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

People take life too seriously. Someone posting today on here will probably bite it before tomorrow. We should enjoy each other while we have the chance.

[-] morry040@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago
[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The world bank? Now add the other 40 countries that want to join including Saudi Arabia. When the petrodollar goes, so will that GDP.

[-] morry040@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Ok - here's what it looks like if you were to group the GDP of each country into regions. If we group all of the regular trading partners and allies into "The West", they comprise 58% of global GDP. BRICS and the 137 other countries would be 41%.
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I didn’t know that GDP is constant and can’t change. Surely nothing will change in the future. The PetroYuan is definitely not a possibility if Saudi Arabia joins BRICS. And that definitely won’t hurt America’s economy, reducing it’s GDP. America will always dominate the world. /s

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[-] authed@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago
[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

American soldiers are in Ukraine? So we’re okay with Proxy Wars now? Further reading.

[-] mashbooq@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago
[-] ConstableJelly@beehaw.org 11 points 2 years ago

For those who have only seen the headline:

Nearly three months into the counteroffensive, the Ukrainians may be taking the advice to heart, especially as casualties continue to mount and Russia still holds an edge in troops and equipment.

U.S. assessed Ukraine's counteroffensive strategy and made recommendations, and now Ukraine is adjusting its strategy accordingly. The headline makes it sound like an endemic issue. Some analysts think it's too little too late, but I wish them the best.

[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Why is NATO helping these guys if they can't get their shit together?

[-] yata@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 years ago

"These guys" held their own against the supposedly second largest army in the world for quite some time before receiving any significant help, and has now, despite all the headlines, regained quite a bit of their own territory which was lost to the Russian invasion, despite the fact that current military technology clearly favours defense over offense (in a scenario without air superiority).

They have also severely depleted the Russian military capability and most likely hindered Russia in invading and bullying their other neighbours for a long time. All for the price of some old hardware that was gathering dust anyway as well as a fraction of a bloated US military budget.

[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

There are better ways to spend the budget.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Why did the US support the Allies in early WW2 when France was overrun in 6 weeks and allied convoys got wrecked in the Atlantic?

[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Because the Allies paid the US with money for their arms? If NATO was selling arms to Ukraine, that'd be totally different.

[-] keeb420@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

why is nato helping a country fight russia?

[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago
[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 13 points 2 years ago

Ask yourself what the alternative is and what a successful outcome for Russia will enable for Putin! Then ask yourself what that means for Europe. Finally ask yourself what upheaval of a European market will do to an American economy and America’s ability to make its influence felt across the world.

Helping Ukraine is far cheaper.

[-] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago

Because it's the right thing to do. Because they're getting invaded by a fascist dictatorship.

[-] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Can't help but remember this article at this moment. And most moments. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/

[-] severien@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This article reminds me how Russia could prevent the war by not invading. They can also stop war any time by simply going home. We should be clear on the fact that Russia is solely responsible for every single second of this war.

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