PHP is great for building APIs to use with React or Vue. I’m happy I have so much back end experience with both good and bad code.

My motto: if a Junior dev can’t figure out what I’m doing after two weeks of training, I’ve failed.

I wonder if it's like PHP. Lots of people shit on it because they had to futz around in a garbage project written by garbage developers, fully unaware that it can be elegant in the hands of a professional team who cares about code quality.

You can apply this reasoning to any [web] technology. The reason it's so visible for react, and previously PHP, is simply popularity.

Yep, finding people who understand React is hard. The majority of people who say they're an expert in React are either coding bootcamp fresh grads or someone who's entrenched in writing shitty React so by having them join there's basically no difference in skill with a fresh grade hire or a fourth year college student intern.

I find react stupid because of JSX, Vue is much cleaner easier.

ofc you can create a mess with any tool or framework

The problem with some of the comments here is that even "properly" written React CAN hit a performance bump, and optimization is a rather rare skill no matter the programming context (kinda due to little time given to it, so everyone is out of practice).

But I don't know which ones are the ones talking about that, and which ones are just people annoyed at anything Node in general.

ChatGPT helped.

They've got really slow internet so it took that long for the Google results to populate with the answer.

Might be "her" ☝️

Exactly. I’m 20 years in and I’m still like “I had no idea this was a feature… cool!”

It' basically the Dunning-Krugger curve - you're well enough into the last part of it so you are well aware of how much there is to learn about it and how you will never know all of it, thus you don't have and never will have the same kind of cocksure belief that "I know this shit" as somebody who knows just a bit but not yet enough to understand how much there is to know.

It's all perfectly normal, IMHO.

Sucks that your rick roll got taken from you. I understand how hard it must feel, so please know that I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you

“Learned” means you can make code for production that other people won’t go “wtf are they doing, this isn’t how react works”

Because anyone worth their salt knows that the superficial hello world example covers the tip of the iceberg. So to say you learned it in two days means you either don't get that you barely scratched the surface or you dont get what other developers really need when they hire someone with knowledge in a specific framework.

React, Vue, Solid, ... are a lot more complex than your average JavaScript library, because they contain so many abstractions and basically require a separate "way of thinking" in addition to what you know from JS itself. There's a separate state and UI model, hooks are a foreign concept at first, and component memoization and re-rendering takes some getting used to as well.

Now, I only have two years of experience with React, but ten in JavaScript overall, and I will say that using React/JSX required the biggest "mental model shift" for me. That's not to say that it's difficult to work with or particularly hard to learn, but it takes time to understand and really internalize this language-within-a-language library.

The way you're asking that question seems to imply that because the API of some Python libraries can be learned in two days, the same must be possible for React, and that seems rather dismissive.

Just shove it in the state! I watched a few react videos over the last TWO WHOLE DAYS, it works!! ;$

This person also lectured me on using AI to write code. Saying it was better than a human (in 2023), and that it made him senior level. They practically mocked me when I told them ChatGPT was pretty bad at coding.

What were you doing that was getting poor performance?

That’s the true spirit of development. I’m probably still doing it wrong, but it functions most of the time and no one seems to notice my bugs! Paycheck!!

I'm just happy I'm not a frontend developer

Yeah. I wish I had another career at this point, but every other job I’d just be like “I can write this entire job in a python script in under a week”