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What is hexbear? (leminal.space)

I saw a post that talked about racism towards people and when I talked about it the response I got was very heated and a person even called lemmy.world a community of 'hitlerites'

I have been around for a week or so and this is my first time seeing such explicit vulgar reaction towards another community, is this a one-off or should I block hexbear?

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TLDR: they are right-wingers pretending to be left wing

[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 85 points 1 month ago

I love this image. Something that always confused me is that they are communist, but support russia? An extremely far right government?

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 76 points 1 month ago

Authoritarians like authoritarian regimes. They'll perform extreme mental gymnastics to reconcile their preconceived notions with reality, like the tankies that declare China to be socialist. Also, most of them see the US as the Great Satan that is responsible for any and all evil in the world. Therefore anybody who opposes the Great Satan must be good.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago

There's no support for the Russian Federation. Support for the USSR? Absolutely, but not the RF. There's critical support, as in the RF currently takes an antagonistic stance towards the United States, which many Leftists see as the greater global evil, but no leftist genuinely thinks the RF is doing that out of "good intentions" or has any model that Leftists should replicate.

That sums it up.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Why would supposed right-wingers be holding Leftist theory reading groups, hosting mutual aid comms, donating to Palestinian gofundmes, and supporting trans rights to some of the highest degrees on the fediverse? Irony? Seems like a silly hypothesis.

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[-] DosDude@retrolemmy.com 92 points 1 month ago

I would block hexbear. I've done it server-wide. They are mostly very loud trolls pretending to be communists. Some could be actual communists, but I don't buy anyone actually wanting to be in such a toxic environment and believe what they claim to believe.

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[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 87 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hexbear, lemmygrad and (in great part) lemmy.ml are tankie instances.

They basically deny any crimes of Stalin, Mao etc…

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 85 points 1 month ago

Hexbear, lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml are the "Tankie Triad".

Hexbear is the worst most extreme of them and lemmy.ml is the least which is why they've managed to avoid getting defederated from world (either that or because they're like the third largest instance behind only .world and SJW)

Hexbear is pretty widely defederated

[-] Pipster 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A lot of .ml users and communities are there just because it was the only big instance much earlier on. I'm in no way a tankie but still use .ml a lot (a community I run is on there) because it was the first one I made and i'm too lazy to look into new instances or switch.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hexbear.net is a Left-Unity instance populated mainly by Marxists and Anarchists. They generally don't get along with Lemmy.world, whose admins defederated from the major Marxist-aligned instances.

Whether you block Hexbear is up to you, I enjoy my time there a lot but it's also because I'm a Marxist. The ones saying they are "pretending" to be Leftist never seem to be able to explain why a large group of people would all ironically have theory reading groups and ironically support trans rights for years, even before federating with anyone else. What would they have to gain?

If I were you, I'd ask on an instance actually federated with them. You'll get different perspectives than you will here, which is always the case when it comes to controversial topics like Marxism, where opinion varies greatly from instance to instance.

[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 month ago

The issue with hexbear isn’t Marxism or anarchism or communism, it’s apologism for violent authoritarian regimes to the point of insisting on an “alternative facts” version of “history”.

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[-] Lumelore 30 points 1 month ago

I really don't think they are a left-unity instance considering that they get very upset and unpleasant to talk to if you don't support authoritarianism or their alternative "facts."

Like I'm cool with all sorts of different leftist viewpoints and I think it's necessary that we support each other, but I draw the line at authoritarianism and rewriting history.

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[-] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The reason they got defederated from so many major instances is less to do with the politics and more to do with the spam, brigading, and bad faith interactions that had no intention of civility.

[-] Sootius@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is objectively untrue, Lemmy.world refused to ever federate, as, in their own words, a "pre-emptive last resort".

In their statement, the reasoning they explicitly highlighted was Hexbear's stances like being against western propaganda and disliking the mass overseas wars driven by the US. Don't believe me? You can read it here - https://lemmy.world/post/2498330

So no, Hexbear was very explicitly defederated because of politics.

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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

You should block hexbear

[-] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 48 points 1 month ago

Oh another one of these

Short answer:

"What if 4chan was communist instead of neonazi"

Similar level of assholety and low post quality. Better politics. Overall don't bother, not worth it.

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[-] Whateley@lemm.ee 47 points 1 month ago

It's a tankie instance. You're not missing anything important or reality-based by blocking it. You should also block lemmy.ml.

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[-] kaprap@leminal.space 45 points 1 month ago

I'm sorry if I sound tone deaf I am new to Lemmy .~.

[-] Maiq@lemy.lol 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Welcome to lemmy! For the most part lemmy is nice place to be. You will still see the occasional crazy though. Defiantly not something you see all the time. If you find a user, community or instance popping off a bunch of crazy the best thing to do is block them. You won't be missing anything without them.

[-] Libb@jlai.lu 26 points 1 month ago

Welcome and there is zero need to apologize. Some people (and group of them) can be a real pain. Once you have learned how to filter them out, it's a nice place with nice people. There is no shame in blocking them, a bit like I would not let someone enter my home so they shout their nonsense into my ears, or make their mess on the carpet.

Once again, welcome ;)

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[-] atro_city@fedia.io 39 points 1 month ago

Wow, I was wondering why I hadn't blocked a single hexbear or lemmy.ml user here: my instance did it for me! I've had multiple accounts on multiple servers and consistently had to block hexbear users until finally blocking hexbear outright. It's been a much better experience then.

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 month ago

Tankies, mostly. They're on my blocklist,but managed to avoid it for a disgustingly long time; they do have some good content from time to time, but in the end seeing the repeated vitriol and genocide denialism simply wasn't worth it.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'll do you one better, why is Hexbear??

[-] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 32 points 1 month ago

I’ve had more issues with .world mods then any of the communist ones.

[-] gravityowl@lemm.ee 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hexbear, together with Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml are left wing, communist instances here on Lemmy.

A lot of (new) users of Lemmy have very strong - as in negative - feelings about them because of their ideas. Which to me makes sense because a lot of these users tend to be more centrist in their views and have never read Marxist literature before.

I will be honest with you and tell you my experience: they can be dickish and straight up trollish in their behavior, but not anymore than your average online trolls. The actual main reason people dislike them, is because they stick together and sometimes "brigade" post which nominates them and talk shit about them.

I personally was on the receiving end of their trolling when I first joined Lemmy too. But among the trolls, there were also very nice users who gave me friendly replies. And I had great conversations with them.

Eventually I even decided to open an alt account in one of those instances to learn more about their views and engage with them on their political knowledge. I really enjoy learning from them and having open conversations about politics with them. Even when sometimes I see their more extreme opinions, I still try to always be open minded at first. More often than not, I will learn that something I used to think on a subject, was the result of historical misconceptions or straight up propaganda. That is not to say that they can't be wrong of course. But it pays off to be receptive about new points of view.

There are some elements that can be considered extreme, especially to someone from the general public who has never engaged in political conversations with someone who is very much to the left. It takes a little adjustment if you want to try and engage because so much of the media and literature we consume reinforce our views on the system while they specifically try to be critical of it.

Bur FOR SURE you will never see that instance be racist or bigoted. I have lost counts how many times I've seen that in other instances, but with them, you know exactly where they stand on that. As in, they do NOT tolerate that.

Tldr: Hexbear (with Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml) are openly communist instances on Lemmy. They are very vocals because they have a large userbase. They can be trolls that stick together sometimes. If you are politically interested/involved, I instead recommend joining one of their instances to see for yourself.

Edit: you can also tell how much people here have a negative feeling about those instances by the reactions in this post. Everything remotely critical is upvoted, while anything that even hints a positive opinion of them, will be downvoted. And then more and more users will start downvoting without even reading the comments. And they will start attacking users because they disagree and feel the need to attack them because "that instance bad"...in a way not too dissimilar from the brigading I mentioned before for some of the users from those instances. Showing you a real life example of how there are extreme users in every online community

[-] Blackout@fedia.io 24 points 1 month ago

Sorry this is not true. They are very aggressive and attack every viewpoint harshly when it disagrees with their very radical beliefs. The reason instances ban them is they are not here for the conversation. Nothing good comes from that community, only confrontation.

[-] gravityowl@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sorry this is not true.

It is true. That's MY experience with them

They are very aggressive and attack every viewpoint harshly

And? I do too when I'm heated about a topic. If your viewpoint is to defend fascism, why not attack it? And I'm not talking specifically about you here. But if we're debating, I expect someone to bring a good debate.

The reason instances ban them is they are not here for the conversation

Sorry this is not true.

And I already gave my explanation as to why in my original comment.

Nothing good comes from that community, only confrontation

So just like your comment? Lol jokes aside, I already addressed everything you said before. But I'm happy you were able to disagree and get it out of your system. I've noticed a lot of Lemmy users have this weird obsession with those instances, when in reality they are just instances. They have both shitty and normal users. It's always more nuanced than that.

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[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

"Anyone right of me is Hitler" sounds pretty on point for them. Instance block and move on with your day.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago

I just took a look at your participation in the hexbear thread you are referencing, and I'm confused about the issue. Seems like you got mostly thoughtful and positive replies. There was some .world bashing at the end including the bit you quoted. It seems strange to me that rather than ask questions about hexbear to the actual users there, you came over here to ask on an instance that has daily threads complaining about leftist instances.

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

ITT: everyone says they're bad without giving any examples, telling you what to think instead of letting you form your own conclusions.

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[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hexbear is pretty overwhelmingly queer/trans and anarchist/communist.

If you've never run into a transfem communist IRL it's probably because you're not in many queer or left wing organizing spaces.

I'm actually pretty new to Lemmy in the last year and in that time I've seen way more .world posters being toxic about .ml/hexbear and making vague posts about how bad they are. I have to imagine that's why you're now seeing backlash to .world. Also most of the time I see people complaining about these instances and I dig into the modlog it's overwhelmingly because they got banned at some point for being reactionary and are bent out of shape about it.

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[-] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago

Seems this post is being brigaded by hexbear alts fyi

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[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hexbear.net, lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad.ml have a lot of extreme leftists who have very wild takes that could be mistaken for right wing takes.

I personally don't recommend blocking them because outside of political threads they make up a lot of the content/memes/discussions, but up to you if you want to try that out.

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[-] FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 month ago

Hexbear is cool. I've learned a lot from them. the thing is, some of the people there can be a little brash at first. I recommend looking around the instance a bit before you decide on blocking it. some of them can be a little brash but they mean well.

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[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago

Hexbear users will bully you to hell the very second you say something they disagree with. In my case, I said South Park is a funny show. They also think Putin is a good guy and at the same time they pretend 90% of their users are trans. Basically it's a bunch of douche kids playing revolutionaries and intimating anyone they disagree with. My 2 cents.

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[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago

Actual leftists mostly, with a few crazies.

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago

Hexbear is a different instance where its users are basically a group of hard communism supporters. If you disliked their behavior, feel free to block their instance.

[-] Foni@lemm.ee 39 points 1 month ago

They are not only hard communists, they have 0 interest in propagating their ideas, they only insult and despise everyone who is not 100% in agreement with them. In the best case, and I don't think it is, it is an endogamous community only for themselves, the opposite of what a federated social network is

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[-] marcie@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A place with a high amount of queer and trans socialists that all the cishets on the fediverse mald about. The instance is something like 66% queer / queer adjacent and 51% are trans / trans adjacent. Essentially, a lot of people are very aggro about the fact that they have carved a safe space out for themselves prior to lemmy becoming popular recently. Tldr:

Here's some of their demographic surveys.

https://hexbear.net/post/2687582

https://hexbear.net/post/3635039

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