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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world

thereโ€™s more than shown here and itโ€™s more than just these users too ๐Ÿ˜ญ

if you find the thread donโ€™t piss in the popcorn (brigade) but also please maybe donโ€™t bring it back here i donโ€™t want 400 notifications of entry level โ€œis almond milk milkโ€ vegan discourse

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago

Milk is the best part of the woman

[-] wolfshadowheart@leminal.space 5 points 1 day ago

Almond milk is a waste of water and is priced out of poor families ability to buy them :(

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I know. Almond milk is a huge waste of water. But unfortunately, it's harder to find others like oat and soy in their unsweetened variants.

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 15 points 1 day ago

You: hates milke because it is unethical

Me: hates milk because it is fucking disgusting.

We are not the same

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[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Raw milk is totally safe....if the cow is totally healthy and if there aren't pathogens floating around the cow.

I mean, my friend next door used to drink off the cows's teats. His Mom would scold him for it, but he did it to show off. We used to milk their three "city cows". Literally the cows would sleep in their garage and then walk to pasture on an every day basis. They would get milked every morning and we would walk to their house and buy a couple of liters from them. Sometimes cheese or bulgaros yogurt.

Everyone loved the cows. They smelled like cows but you could safely pet them and not expect feces on your hands.

The cows we get milk from are all rolling around in feces in confined space and they eat dry moldy feed. Like that stuff is total animal abuse and prone to end up giving someone a cow Bourne disease of some kind.

My neighbors also had pigs and we had pigs. That is why we never ate pig... cows are clean compared to pigs. Pigs will eat bugs smeared in pig feces. That is not normal really because pigs in the wild, although dirty, do not just swim in their feces like captive pigs do. If you ever want to go vegan for whatever reason, visit a captive pig farm. Learn that smell....then go to the butcher shop's trash bin and learn that smell...then realize that when you get your meat in your fridge, the death smell is what you're smelling. Makes me wanna puke ๐Ÿคฎ just thinking about it. And if your neighbors ever killed a pig, you would know it. Pigs don't go down easy. That's one positive thing I can definitely say about pigs. They know you're gonna kill them and they scream like anyone would....as in a person. It churns you inside out hearing that scream and then when it stops you know it happened. Pigs don't go down quietly.

Anyway don't eat animals, but if you're gonna eat milk or dairy, make sure it's pasteurized! Any well understood retarded person like myself could agree ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ‘.

[-] hungryphrog 2 points 1 day ago

r-slur spotted, comment ignored.

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[-] banana_lama@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

I would just like to bring up that most equestrians don't farm their horses milk. Without demand it would probably be similar

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 day ago

this is 1/100th of the insanity that happened on the reddit sub r/milk
I'm pretty sure there was a riot because the mods said almond milk was allowed or something like that

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I love drinking almond milk right from the almond nipple

[-] hungryphrog 63 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Transcribing the conversation here:

Recessa, โ†‘4 โ†“1: That's completely idiotic, milk exist because there's demand for it.

commie, โ†‘1 โ†“4: I think you understand that milk is produced as part of the mammalian reproductive cycle. can you describe the causal steps between demanding milk and it's production?

friendlymessage, โ†‘3 โ†“2: Do you think dairy cattle just randomly spawns on the planetary surface?

commie, โ†‘1 โ†“3: do you think there's a direct causal link between drinking milk and more being produced?

friendlymessage, โ†‘3: Are you fucking with me?

commie, โ†‘2 โ†“3: no. I'm trying to illustrate that markets are not governed by natural law; they are populated by irrational actors.

friendlymessage, โ†‘2 โ†“1: Yeah, but they're not as irrational as you are and producing milk costs money. If there's no market, they will stop because they are not fuckin lunatics and they don't have infinite resources

commie, โ†‘2 โ†“2: milk was farmed before markets existed. there is no reason to believe that will ever stop.

friendlymessage, โ†‘3 โ†“1: That... must be the dumbest discussion I've had in a while. Please read through your comments tomorrow when you're sober

commie, โ†‘1 โ†“1: I've been sober all day.

friendlymessage, โ†‘1: Okay, whatever you say

commie, โ†‘1 โ†“2: everything I've said is true. you're objecting to reality, and being pretty shitty about it to me.

friendlymessage, โ†‘2: No, you're just making a no sensical argument at all. Milk was farmed from dairy cattle because it was consumed by humans. It's simple supply and demand. There is no rational argument at all that if mankind stopped consuming milk, it would still be farmed. Why would any farmer go through the effort to upkeep cows and keep them impregnanted to make them produce milk if they cannot trade it or won't consume it? Yes, humans have free will but they won't produce stuff with very high effort just for fun. Except maybe very sick minds that just enjoy animal cruelty. And you won't elaborate what your actual point is anyway.

Also, not that it matters, but you're arguing that dairy farming existed before the market is simply wrong. There has been trade between human civilizations long before we started domesticating animals.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago

There's a common misunderstanding among a lot of .ml folks that markets are a capitalist thing and if you just don't call them that then they don't exist.

[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

... they're not a .ml user

Also it's just untrue lol? We know markets predate capitalism, I'd be surprised to find anyone disagreeing

[-] socsa@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago

Obviously nobody drank milk in the USSR shitlib

[-] hungryphrog 3 points 1 day ago

Everyone knows that history starts at the industrial revolution and no one had went "hey I'll give you two goats if you give me some salt" before that.

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[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 76 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Ah yeah, I've had an interaction with that anti-vegan user before, and let me tell ya, if you want to speedrun vegan bingo... ideal discussion partner right there.

[-] nl4real@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

The "Vegans are loud and annoying" crowd are more loud and annoying than actual vegans in my personal experience.

[-] Moc@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Often when society had an extreme default position on a topic, its defenders sound batshit insane.

See:

  • Gay and trans rights
  • Reproductive rights
  • Veganism
  • Unregulated capitalism
  • Homelessness
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