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Hey all,

So I recently decided to go vegan. My personal reasons for ditching animal products were because of environmental factors, animal welfare, and trying to maintain consistency with the values I hold to their logical ends.

I was curious. I've seen a lot of hate towards vegans online, admittedly being someone who partook in that several years ago myself to a small degree. While I'm glad and very lucky people I know closely have been making accommodations for me, I'm also worried about mentioning or bringing it up to people I'm getting to know since I don't want to rub them the wrong way if they possibly have these notions that being vegan and veganism are a bad thing. Namely when it's relevant in conversation like people asking me why I read ingredients lists or can't have something they're offering me, which I've been half-lying attributing to food allergies and intolerances out of worry (I'm lactose intolerant, which helps as a cop-out).

I'm wanting to know what people dislike about vegans, whether they're based on previous experiences they've had, or preconceived notions, and what would make someone a "good vegan" in their eyes. I know I shouldn't be a people-pleaser, but knowing this stuff would definitely help me gain the confidence to be more open about myself and my personal values to others who don't necessarily share said values.

Thanks in advance, I'll try to respond where possible, but it's going to be a busy day for me, though I do read all replies to posts I make.

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[-] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

If people ask why you're vegan, focus on the positives of veganism. I say: the food's delicious, I feel healthier, and I like animals.

It frames it as something you benefit from, rather than depriving yourself of something.

[-] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I have attempted being ovo lacto vegetarian in the past, flexitarian and pescitarian, but never vegan.

My experience is that your motivation for not eating meat is why people care. If you do it for ethical or environmental reasons and not health ones. Then people will feel that you are thinking that you are superior to them.

Health one is the most accepted reason, because it is not an "attack" on someones values. Yes, it is ridiculous that people feel this way.

However it is more work having guests that have special dietary needs, and vegans and vegetarians are choosing it. People with allergies or religious reasons are not.

My experience is that the easiest way to get the most results with the least friction socially is to be a flexitarian. Eat vegetarian / vegan when you are cooking or buying food, and eat the meat and animal products you are served. That reduces your consumption of animal meat and products by 80-95% without the hassle.

I managed to be a flexitarian for 2-3 years, but gave up. Vegetarian I only managed like a month or two.

Also remember B12!

[-] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

I tried to be flexatarian for a few months but I gave up. It seemed stupid. Gone back to being full vegan now.

[-] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

It's a compromise for sure, and not entirely consistent with the values of a vegan / vegetarian.

I wanted to reduce my meat and animal product consumption and it removed most of the social friction. The constant need to tell hosts of social gatherings of my preferences. I did not have to constantly hear whining from my grandmother about how they ate in the old days, and how we "city-folk" are.

I am currently a meat eater, but try to not eat meat too often. I would not consider myself a flexitarian, but eat way less than before.

[-] arthur@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

I know a lot o vegans, they are all chill. On their daily life, to be vegan is a a non-issue, for themselves and others.

On social events we generally have some extra options to accommodate them, and that's it.

So, for yourself, you probably need to do some planning ahead to be sure that the place where you are going will have options, or, if the event will be on someone's house, check with the host if they will offer (or if you can bring) something suitable for you.

If you are not trying to force other people to live your lifestyle, guilt-trip them or show yourself as moral superior to others, them you already are a "good vegan".

And, if you want to invite people to be like you, do it by offering/showing tasty animal-free food to your guests as an option.

[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yay for you! Nine year vegan here, I remember saying I would never do it either. But now meat and dairy aren't even things I think about, let alone miss.

There is no answer that will please everyone. It's best to treat veganism as a religion, as in an ethical framework that guides your actions. But just like religion, it's not polite to talk about it nor judge others for believing differently. You'll absolutely encounter people who feel comfortable for mocking your beliefs, including friends and family, but the best strategy is to smile and say you'd rather talk about something else. You can't control if others decide to be jerks, but tend your own garden and remember there is no profit in being argumantive back. Eternally change the subject and you'll rarely be accused of being preachy. Unfortunately there are those who take your meat as an inherent judgement of their own, but that is a dilemma they need to fix themselves.

Having said that, I applaud your choice and urge you to get b-12 supplements. A large chunk of the population is deficient anyways and while you adjust there is a good chance you'll miss some of the supplements added to meat products that mostly likely were your primary source.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

you don't have to be good, and you don't have to apologize or explain your choices. the vegans who are jerks about it are right. their choices to act in ways which alienate them sometimes are their own. you can do the same or not. thanks for being vegan, either way

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