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Imperial rule (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[-] DerKommissar@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"The pure (libertarian) socialists ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted.

Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed." - Michael Parenti, "Blackshirts and Reds"

[-] uriel238 34 points 2 days ago

I also noted this was a problem with the Rebel Alliance (who just supports a republic of oligarchs), and was called a centrist for my efforts.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

See, they shouldn't have gone with the First Order. They should've had the New Republic stamp out the Empire, only to create a new empire itself.

[-] Jon_Servo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Star Wars is supposed to be palatable to children, and my guess is that those types of politics muddy the waters too much for kids to grasp. Simplistic and clear "good vs evil" lines appeal to wider audiences.

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[-] leaf 54 points 3 days ago

Tankies support the more problematic empires such as Russia and China.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 days ago

Less problematic in some ways, more problematic in other ways. We shouldn't be supporting the "less problematic" empire. We should be fighting any and all empires.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

What's that behind your back? Are you hiding a pile of severed children's hands because they didn't harvest rubber fast enough??

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[-] theoneIno@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago

More problematic to whom? The US literally changed the political direction of my country and fucked us over real hard.

Where are the chinese wars and regime change operations? At least Russia only attacks its neighbors at most so countries far away have nothing to fear, unlike the US invading and destroying countries all around the globe.

Call them empire or whatever, but being unable to admit that the US is the bigger threat to real freedom in the world only contributes to the causes of the biggest and arguably most brutal empire in history, that is in constant state of war since it was founded.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 12 points 2 days ago

Maybe it doesn't matter which empire is more problematic.

[-] theoneIno@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago

Well, at least global south countries are gonna have to choose between them or play both sides at best to survive the foereseeable future, so at least in some instances it does matter.

What will Nigeria choose? Chinese or US exports, loans, cultural influence etc

No country can be fully independent from the world around, so they do have to choose allies and foes.

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[-] hungryphrog 36 points 2 days ago

Did you not read the meme? Imperialism is bad no matter who is doing it, and arguing over which empire is more 'problematic' is counterproductive, as we should oppose all empires instead of wasting all of our time and effort on getting on each other's throats.

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[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 22 points 2 days ago

And in doing so they may have pushed large parts of the Chinese-American community to the right. Tankies caping for the CCP were not a good look for the moderate immigrants who had been fucked over by the Chinese government in various ways.

[-] DerKommissar@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

they may have pushed large parts of the Chinese-American community to the right.

That's just the Gusano effect, frankly. Why would someone who supports the ML regime move to China's self-nominated existential enemy, after all?

No, those who oppose just come over here and Yeonmi Park themselves all over the place. You see it in ever single "Castro took my grandfather's plantation" wannabe-settler who conveniently leaves out that el viejo's plantation was staffed by slaves; I expect exactly the same out of Chinese expatriate capitalists afraid they're next (when there's actually still hella billionaires that haven't been milled yet).

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago

I wonder why a westerner who gets their news from english speaking western sources which profit off of the same wealth extraction as the empire they are part of would think like this? Surely the western free press would not be influenced by the whims of capital and empire. Obviously China and Russia must be the "worse empire", my empire told me so!

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