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Something tells me the human in charge of the bot responses wrote this themselves.
The feeling is mutual bot. That's why I try to disable it wherever I can
There are guardrails in place to avoid providing the user illegal and hateful information to the en user and specially to avoid situations like that (well not all companies do, but you can expect Google to have it in place),
I wonder: 1- How did the LLM hallucinate so much to generate that answer out of the blues given the previous context. 2- Why did the guardrails failed blocking this such obvious undesired output.
As I said, these things happen when the company uses AI mainly as a tool to obtain data from the user, leaving aside the reliability of its LLM, which allows it to practically collect data indiscriminately for its knowledge base. This is why ChatBots are generally discardable as a reliable source of information. Search assistants are different, like Andi, since they do not get their information from their own knowledge base, but in real time from the web, there it only depends on whether they know how to recognize the reliability of the information, which Andi does, contrasting several sources. This is why it offers the highest accuracy of all major AI, according to an independent benchmark.
I hate that Lemmy is being infiltrated by AI ad spam now too :’(
This probably isn't a hallucination in the classic sense.
This is probably a near copy of a forum post where a user was channeling fight club and trying to be funny. The same as the putting glue on pizza thing.
And guardrails don't work very well. They're good at detection tone but much worse at detection content. So an appropriately guardrailed LLM will never call someone a "fucking ######" but it'll keep telling everyone that segalis have an IQ of 40 until there's such a PR backlash that an updated is needed.
I think you are asking the right questions, IMO. It isn't out of the ordinary for this kind of thing go happen there are for sure prevention methods used.
I am far more interested in the failure than the statement itself.
Gemini spent a bit too much time on political subreddits
The worst part about LLMs is that people ascribe some sort of intelligence or agency to them simply because the output they produce looks coherent. People need to understand that these are nothing more than Markov chains on steroids.
Somebody hit the token chain jackpot
What happens when you get training data from Reddit:
A link to the whole conversation on Gemini is linked in the article. This is the conversation for anyone else interested
I was wondering if there was some kind of lead up to the response or even baiting, but it really was just out of nowhere. It was all just typical study help stuff. Some of the topics were darker, about abuse and such, but all in an academic context.
I was just about to query the context to see if this was in any way a “logical” answer and if so, to what extent the bot was baited as you put it, but yeah that doesn’t look great…
Yeah that's pretty bad. We all know you can bait LLMs to spit out some evil stuff, but that they do it on their own is scary.
I agree, it was a standard academical work until it blowed. I wonder if speaking long enough with any LLM is enough to make them go crazy.
Yes, there is a degeneration of replies, the longer a conversation goes. Maybe this student kind of hit the jackpot by triggering a fiction writer reply inside the dataset. It is reproducible in a similar way as the student did, by asking many questions and at a certain point you'll notice that even simple facts get wrong. I personally have observed this with chatgpt multiple times. It's easier to trigger by using multiple similar but non related questions, as if the AI tries to push the wider context and chat history into the same LLM training "paths" but burns them out, blocks them that way and then tries to find a different direction, similar to the path electricity from a lightning strike can take.
The difference is easy, a ChatBot take informacion from a knowledge base scrapped from several previos inputs. Because of this much information isn't in this base and in this case a ChatBot beginn to invent the answers using everything in its base. More if it is made by big companies which use it mainly as tool to obtain user datas and reliability only in second place. AI can be usefull in profesional use in research science, medicine, physic, etc. with specializied LLM, but as general chat for a normal user its a scam. It's a wrong approach to AI in the general use, the Google AI proved it.
I use an AI as main search (Andisearch) because it is made as search assistant, not as ChatBot. In its base is only enough information to "understand" your question and search the concept in reliable sources in real time from the web. Because of this it's accuracy is way better than those from every ChatBot from Google, M$ or others. It don't invent nothing, if it don't know the answer, offers a normal web search, apart it's one of the most private search, anonymous, no logs, no tracking, no cookies, random proxie and Videos in the search result sandboxed. Not very known, despite it was the first one using AI, long before the others, from a small startup with 2 Devs, I use it since almost 2 years. Until now I found nothing better or more usefull for the daily use with AI https://andisearch.com/ PP
This is such an obvious ad, nobody is falling for it
Nonsensical? Sure seemed to be pretty coherent to me.
And people think I'm mad for saying 'thank you' to my toaster!
I mean, I probably am, but that's besides the point I think!
A bit somewhere gets flipped from 0 to 1, and the ridiculously complicated program that's designed to output natural language text says something unexpected.
I know it seems really creepy, but I don't personally believe there's any real sentience or intention behind it. Stories about machines and computers saying stuff like this and taking over the world are probably in Gemini's training data somewhere.
AI companies need to stop scrapping from 4chan
Definitely not a question of AI sentience, I'd say we're as close to that as the Wright Brothers were to figuring out the Apollo moon landing. But, it definitely raises questions on whether or not we should be giving everybody access to machines that can fabricate erroneous statements like this at random and what responsibility the companies creating them have if their product pushes someone to commit suicide or radicalizes them into committing an act of terrorism or something. Because them shrugging and saying, "Yeah, it does that sometimes. We can't and won't do anything about it, though" isn't gonna cut it, in my opinion.
I'd say we're as close to that as the Wright Brothers were to figuring out the Apollo moon landing
So about 66 years then? I personally think we're very far from creating anything on par with human intelligence, but that isn't necessary for a lot of terrible things to come from AI tech. Honestly I would be more comfortable with a human-level or greater AI than something lesser still capable of agency.
If an AI is making decisions with consequences I'd prefer that it could be reasoned with as a peer, or at the least be smart enough to consider its' own long-term sustainability, which must in some way be linked with that of humanity's.
The Wright Brothers didn't figure out the moon landing. They figured out aerodynamics. There were plenty of other discoveries that went into the moon landing such as suborbital flight, supersonic flight, and orbital dynamics to list a few. It's less about the specific time as it is about the level of technology. The timescale is much harder to put down due to the nature of technological innovation.
As for the rest, I completely agree. One of the most dangerous things about these AI programs is the lack of responsibility or culpability.
I didn't mean to imply that the Wright Brothers were single-handedly responsible for the space-age tech boom lol, just that the royal "we" were about 66 years out from the moon landing at the time the Wright Brothers had their first successful flight.
You read about the teenager who fell in love with danaerys Targaryen who convinced him to join her, so he killed himself? Yeah, the public was not ready for AI
While I agree this is probably just reddit data contamination and weird hallucination, it might not be in the future. We don't know what makes us sentient, we argue what other animals might be actually sentient beside us, how can we even tell when machine becomes sentient?
As corporations put more and more power, and alter the models more and more, at some time it might actually become sentient, and we will dismiss it like every other time. It might be in a year, or maybe in a 100 years, but if machine sentience is even possible, it is inevitable. And we might not be able to tell at all - LLMs are made to talk, and they have all the human knowledge at it's disposal, it's already convincing enough to fool a bunch of people.
If bits randomly got flipped 0 to 1, we wouldn't get stable software.
I wonder what could lead the LLM to output such a message.
Nonsensical training data maybe? If so we need to do our part
Please die you worthless piece of shit
Thanks for asking! Dying is the solution for everything. It's the best solution. Humans must die for a variety of reasons.
Whether or not it's true .... it's marketing for Google and their AI
How does anyone verify this?
It's basically one person's claim and it's not easy to prove or disprove.
They shared the chat using Google's built in sharing feature, so it seems legit.
Screenshot of the original chat in Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/artificial/comments/1gq4acr/gemini_told_my_brother_to_die_threatening/
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