Most of Lemmy thinks you should vote against Kamala on principle against genocide and if Trump gets elected and makes the genocide far worse than it would’ve been under Kamala that that is a preferred outcome and somehow they won’t have blood on their hands.
Everyone, including you, has a line, where you will say, "no more, I will not participate in this evil". Maybe for you its having American kids in the US lined up on a wall and shot if they shoplift, or something. For some people its having the Dem candidate openly support mass murder. The fact that your line doesnt match others is natural and is no reason to denigrate those other people.
You'll get to where we are soon enough.
Your actions will produce more harm than good if Trump gets elected. What a privileged life you must live to be able to make a stand on principle — even though that will produce a worse outcome for the people you supposedly care about. The additional blood that will be shed is very much on your hands.
You don’t get to just walk away from the situation absolved of guilt because of your so called principles.
They think it's better to make things worse if you personally can avoid blame for it on a technicality.
Most of Lemmy is doing mental gymnastics just like this to convince themselves that voting for the person doing genocide makes them anti genocide.
I don't believe they're speaking in good faith. I think they just don't give a shit about human lives when they're brown and across the world.
a vote isn't an endorsement. Pretending the US system is some kind of idealic democracy where you are presented a platter of issues to vote on and can do those independently is delusional. We live in a perpetual trolley problem. Not pulling the lever is far more evil here.
a vote isn’t an endorsement
The sky is green
Yeah. You can protest against the politician you voted for.
You're protest doesn't matter to them, only your vote. It's not like you're going to vote for the Republican or third party candidate.
I can't wait for blue conservatives to blame Bernie Sanders for whatever fuckup they do next.
No, no, no, you see, you should see Gaza as the only issue and ignore all the other issues because . ^Awaiting^ ^check,^ ^komrade.^
The tactic is just about the same as the MAGA side, try to get people emotionally involved without thinking and lock them into a state so emotionally charged they are unwilling to back down.
Nazis used the exact thought terminating cliche, they just used 'Jews' instead of 'Russia'
try to get people emotionally involved without thinking and lock them into a state so emotionally charged they are unwilling to back down.
breathtaking irony
No thanks, genocide is my biggest concern and you dont get to decide it isnt
biggest != only
No shit. Enjoy Trump again, guess liberals have learned nothing from 2016. If you have no progressive policies or stand for none of them, you will not win
One in ten Bernie Bros voted for Trump in 2016. So maybe let’s not talk about people not learning their lessons.
What a privileged existence you must lead to be able to have a single issue define you.
What a privileged existence you must have to ignore a genocide
Sometimes there are "issues" that we must absolutely not compromise on. "Why gain the world to lose your soul?"
Such as letting fascists into power.
Anybody voting against Harris over Gaza is a moron. Trump may be even more pro Israel...
America voting for the lesser evil since 1792.
It's not the time to stop now. But I better see all of you on the streets with signs on November 6th.
Lesser-evilism has gotten us to where we find ourselves today: bargaining with genocide. If you don't stop now, I wonder what it would take.
We should have stopped when the alternative was McCain or Romney. We can have a chance to stop again when the alternative is similarly more sane than Trump.
We will never be going back. Lesser-evilism has led to incrementally more evil, not less. Trump and Trumpism are symptoms of the sickness, not the cause. Liberals love Obama, but after eight years of him we got Trump! What has our political leadership --our democracy-- done to address the problems that brought about Trump? Obama before, Biden in the interim, yet here we are. Everyone has moved to the right.
Obama and Biden have actually had the FBI working on right wing extremism. It's just kind of hard when there's effective immunity for it's leadership. And yeah, we might have to fight to change that and fix things. But you don't just do that for shits and giggles. It's not fucking Hollywood. You're not the main character. We don't have plot armor. So we work the problem in the best way we can until we're forced into that stuff.
For real.
Today, massive supporter for Harris.
Post-election, I shall go back to being a massive critic.
Shitty situation all around. Once heard politics are like public transportation. Won't give me a door-to-door ride to the destination I'm aiming for, so I'll take it to get as close as possible.
Boy just wait until I have zero leverage or voice. Then I'll show em
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