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edited with link to : https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/15818 venezuelanalysis for less MSM perspective


Recent arrest of 33 men increases criticism of President Nicolas Maduro’s overtures to anti-LGBTQ religious groups.

It was an otherwise ordinary night at the Avalon Club, a bar and sauna popular with the LGBTQ community in Valencia, Venezuela’s third-largest city.

Music was playing, drinks were flowing and guests were enjoying the accommodations, which included a restaurant, smoking room and massage parlour.

But that evening, on July 23, police would burst into the club, propelling the venue and its patrons into the national spotlight — and sparking questions about LGBTQ discrimination in Venezuela.

Patrons would later recount how the police arrived shouting, “Hands up!”

“I was having a drink with some of my best friends,” one guest, Ivan Valera, later told local media. “I thought it was a joke.”

But the officers proceeded to round up the 33 men in the establishment and hold them in the sauna’s locker rooms.

Luis – who asked to be identified by his first name only, to protect his privacy – told Al Jazeera that the police said they were conducting a “routine inspection”.

“At that moment I was calm,” he said. “I simply thought that it was a normal police procedure.”

But then the officers took Luis and the other men to police headquarters in Los Guayos, a municipality adjacent to Valencia. The men were not told what crime they were being charged with, Luis said. On the contrary, they were told they were “witnesses”.

“That’s when I began to question what was happening,” Luis told Al Jazeera. “Because why are we going as witnesses? Witnesses to what?”

Only after he was forced to give up his mobile phone and have his picture taken did Luis realise he was under arrest.

“[The police] said I have the right to a phone call,” said Luis. “That’s when I started to feel disoriented, like, what’s happening? They didn’t even tell us we were arrested

Being gay is not a crime in Venezuela. But the men were eventually charged with “lewd conduct” and “sound pollution” among other counts. The police offered images of condoms and lubricant as evidence for the supposed crimes.

In addition, the men’s photos were leaked to local media, where they were accused of participating in an “orgy with HIV” and recording pornography. Some of the men, like Luis, had not previously gone public with their sexuality.

But the backlash to the mass arrest was swift. Protests broke out in Caracas and Valencia, with demonstrators calling for the men’s release. The hashtag #LiberanALos33, or “Free the 33”, also went viral on the social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter.

Thirty of the men were ultimately released on “conditional parole” after 72 hours in custody. The other three — the owner of the Avalon Club and two massage specialists — were let go 10 days after their arrest.

The Public Ministry of Venezuela and the Valencia Police did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/10/mass-arrest-at-lgbtq-club-in-venezuela-prompts-outcry-over-discrimination

In the case of the 33 men from the Avalon Club, Venezuela’s Attorney General Tarek William Saab has recommended the charges be dropped.

But the experience has shaken Luis’s hopes for the future of the LGBTQ community in Venezuela.

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[-] heartheartbreak@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

I looked into it a bit last year and it seems like the opposition liberal parties are all the most pro LGBT voices which muddies the waters a bit. There are a few openly LGBT politicians in the Venezuelan government as well, but the road to reform looks tough.

Being gay is not a crime, but the legal hurdles for things like trans identity changes and same sex marriage still makes things difficult.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago
[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fuk. I had this huge effort post reply. Then my browser crashed and it's gone. Maybe I'll make a repost.

The tldr is that he's citing a CEPAZ website, an anti Chavez NGO, and the Clooney Foundation, which gets funding from Gates Foundation, Ford Foundation, etc. Although I'm sure that LGBT life in Venezuela isn't great and that this is partly true, the Amerikan author (not the OP) is a bit sus.

Please request sources if you'd like them. They're litered throughout my browser history.

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Who’s citing any websites? They interviewed one of the people arrested.

[-] blobjim@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

The rest of the article, which OP didn't include, is a bunch of anti-Maduro anti-PSUV stuff where they're clearly using quotes from people in the opposition.

[-] chilemango@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's just too long, I put the link where it cuts off and the last sentence to convey the charges being dropped,

Here's a https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/15818 (pro Bolivarian) source I found @ButtBidet@hexbear.net too if you want a different source

I checked telesur and they didnt have anything on this, but I'll look at venezuelanalysis too next time, there's only so much you can do in terms of articles especially only using English, I'm sure there was a lot of local coverage in Spanish

[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Honestly I wasn't blaming you, more the American author of the article. You're fine. I'd say that Al Jazeera is probably better than the NY Times most days.

[-] chilemango@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Ik nw only tagged you if you wanted to read the venezuelanalysis article

[-] valpackett 13 points 1 year ago

Something that we down south (Argentina) are privileged enough to only see in historical documentaries… big oof.

Fuerza hermanxs 💪

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago
[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

incredibly cringe from big sips Maduro

i'm pretty fucking hopeless on religious pervasiveness in south america considering i'm on the other side of the pacific, but i really hope this isn't also a problem in Bolivia

[-] blobjim@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

The rest of the article is also a hit piece against PSUV and Maduro and can't find a single positive thing to say about them. So it's hard to say if it's telling the whole story. They clearly only interviewed people who are in the liberal opposition.

[-] Pawpatrol@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Seems like Maduro is trying to prevent evangelicals from becoming an American proxy like they always do. It’d be interesting to have gay Cubans research the issue seeing how far the island has come. (Though it can be argued they were first pressured to moderate in order to court European tourism and the sympathies of US intersectional activists, but that’s a different matter)

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