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[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 149 points 2 weeks ago

I like and admire vegans.

I probably should be vegan because I am lucky enough to have the economic privilege to support that kind of lifestyle.

But, as with many other communities centered around lifestyle topics, I would never want to participate in a vegan community. Lifestyle communities always become insular and echo-chambery, so you become a pariah if you don't properly adhere to 100% of the community consensus behaviors.

Not just vegans, but you see it happen with fitness communities, diy/home decor, a lot of hobbies, etc.

[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 weeks ago

I'm just keeping an eye out for good recipes.

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[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 29 points 2 weeks ago

Abstaining from animal murder and torture is admirable and something I should do OTOH some internet commenters are mean about it

I wonder why they would be mean...

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 93 points 2 weeks ago

Good job! This is the comment that made them turn vegan! Mission accomplished!

[-] cheddar@programming.dev 42 points 2 weeks ago

That's not the goal. They attack people because that makes them feel better. Animals? Who cares. Definitely not them.

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[-] mogoh@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 weeks ago

@Stovetop did not say nor implied that he/she is not vegan, because of the community.

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[-] ngwoo@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

so you become a pariah if you don't properly adhere to 100% of the community consensus behaviors.

You don't pocket mulch?!

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 94 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, leaving .world is a pretty fair response. That community is full of insufferable idiots, but an admin overrode their moderating decisions, and then the admin team made up rules to retroactively justify their decision. That's pretty egregious.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 90 points 2 weeks ago

I'm no fan of Lemmy.world but I'm even less of a fan of dead cats.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 61 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, to be clear, you should not feed your cat a Vegan diet. Cats are obligate carnivores. Synthetic Taurine has made vegan catfood somewhat more viable, but cats don't just need Taurine from prey. They need several vitamins, amino acids, and fatty acids from animal protein to survive. Beyond that, their digestive tract isn't very efficient at digesting plant matter, so even if these foods have the nutritional value they need, they might not be absorbing it. Also, a lot of these products seem to be made from grains and other carb heavy products, and cats need a very low carb, high protein diet. If you want to completely divest from the meat industry, you simply shouldn't own a cat.

That being said, Vegan catfood products are on the market, so whether or not they are good for cats, they have been approved by several regulating bodies. You can claim that they're unsafe (I certainly do), but having an admin nuke a comment section for claiming otherwise is a huge overreaction. It would be like going into a vape community and banning accounts that claimed vaping is safer than smoking; it probably isn't, but I don't need admins deciding who gets to have discourse about that.

Finally, I'm also not a fan of dead cats, but if you're dumb enough to take veterinary advice from an internet vegan group, you're probably too dumb to keep a cat alive anyway.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

Vegan catfood products are on the market, so whether or not they are good for cats, they have been approved by several regulating bodies

Yeah, that's not how it works. Especially in countries with extreme regulatory capture like the US.

Unless a product has text that says in a very specifically worded way that it's been tested and approved by a relevant regulatory body, it hasn't.

The fact that something hasn't been taken off the market YET does not necessarily mean that it's been approved. Especially not when you're dealing with politically volatile stuff that could lead to lengthy public lawsuits sapping the resources of the already chronically underfunded and understaffed agencies.

If it's vegan food for obligate carnivores, it MIGHT technically be "safe" (as in won't be outright lethal), but for the reasons you yourself mentioned, it's likely to significantly decrease the animal's enjoyment of life at best and more likely to be downright torturous.

It would be like going into a vape community and banning accounts that claimed vaping is safer than smoking

Except for the fact that those accounts would be absolutely right and have reams of scientific evidence from the world's foremost experts in related fields to back up their claims. Unlike the people abusing cats in the name of not abusing animals.

it probably isn't

It is. It's not even anywhere near the next city over from the neighborhood of close.

but I don't need admins deciding who gets to have discourse about that

Except limiting the spread of dangerous misinformation, such as common myths that are keeping smokers away from one of if not THE most effective smoking cessation tool, is a big part of what admins are FOR.

if you're dumb enough to take veterinary advice from an internet vegan group, you're probably too dumb to keep a cat alive anyway

Yeah..that's not a valid argument either. A lot of vegans avoid getting a cat because they're too overzealous in their veganism to even want carnivorous animals to eat meat.

The Venn diagram of people vegan enough to love carnivores but refuse to give them meat and people who would trust a vegan online echo chamber more than competent veterinarians is a circle within a bigger circle.

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If thats true then everyone should probably start leaving .world. If they cant even behave themselves with something as simple as veganism, then you cant trust them to not powertrip with actually controversial political issues.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe, but this seems like a problem that's bigger than a single instance. A few months back someone came with some pretty good receipts showing .ml admins going after people for having some very fair and moderate criticisms of China. Seems like most instances either have power tripping mods or are too small to have much activity.

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[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 87 points 2 weeks ago

Isn't this something that the fediverse was explicitly designed to support?
We're making fun of them for making use of one of the foundational features of the platform?

If they don't like it there, they can move again. And again. Or host their own instance.

Idk what this creepy vicarious butthurt is about, or why it has become so popular.

[-] WarlockLawyer@lemmy.world 59 points 2 weeks ago

Circle jerking against vegans is a pasttime of the Internet denizens

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, but it's a pretty pathetic passtime. At least find a good reason, rather than doing literally the thing you want them to do.

Like, insulting them for leaving is just as bad as them crying that their toxic behavior scares people away. It makes no sense.

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[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 74 points 2 weeks ago

I see a lot more vegan hate than vegans.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 57 points 2 weeks ago

No one hates vegans. Almost everyone hates vegan extremists.

[-] WarlockLawyer@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

No one hates vegans, but everyone loves to post vegan hate or idiotic "bacon" posts.

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[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They're easy to hate - They're weird, eat funny foods, care about things nobody else does (who cares about chickens) and my god is there a subset of them that are the most truly obnoxious human beings (a statement that is, conveniently, true of every single group of humans). They're basically furries for the non-internet crowd. Nobody ever interacts with them to know it, so they get defined by the strawmen people create of them.

Edit: It's possible my explanation of why vegans are disliked has touched a nerve. To clarify; I don't think this, hell I eat vegan meals most of the time, but these are the qualities given to the Strawman Vegan that everyone onlines seems to love to hate. (I also quite like furries.)

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 36 points 2 weeks ago

The cause has been tainted by the extremists, to the point where even some vegans are being pushed away from the movement.

Of course, the ones that are on a niche media platform, in a community dedicated to veganism, are likely to be the nutter ones.

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[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 24 points 2 weeks ago

who cares about chickens

Most people. Anyone who isn't a psychopath cares to some extent about animals, vegan or non-vegan

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[-] Katzastrophe@feddit.org 66 points 2 weeks ago

My biggest gripe with vegan communities is that a lot of them have an "All or Nothing" mentality, going fully vegan is a luxury not everyone can afford, and yet I find mainly malice when trying to talk about reducing ones own reliance on meat and other animal products in online communities.

And veganism, if taken to the "no suffering of sentient beings" full extreme, forbids buying things (not just food) produced by slavery. And those things, especially electronics and clothes, are not financially viable for most to be bought without any slavery involved in any step whatsoever.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Unsolicited advice: Your goal is to do no more or less than the best you can. If you're doing that, no one got shit on you.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Which is precisely why they will get along with the tankies so well. Both treat the very idea of nuance as an existential threat to the point where everything much be driven by the most extreme degree of moral panic or nothing at all.

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[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 60 points 2 weeks ago

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I had a look at the community yesterday, every post bar one was about vegan cat food for the last week. They're not taking this well at all.

[-] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 2 weeks ago

I just had a look myself after your comment and cannot confirm your claim at all. There are, understandably, quite a few posts about this debacle and the future of their sub but more than half is stuff related to veganism not related to cats.

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[-] Jimbo@yiffit.net 57 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I respect vegans, and applaud them for their life choices. I'm not in a position to, or willing at this point to become a vegan, but I looked at their community... Mostly insults when referring to any meat eater. Yeah, I respect them a fair bit less now.

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[-] m3t00@lemmy.world 49 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 42 points 2 weeks ago

Lemmy dot world definitely doesn't circlejerk, no siree.

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 32 points 2 weeks ago

"We taught a lion to eat Tofu"

I mean what a fucking mountain to die on. Bravo to all involved this has been quite entertaining.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I suspect the mountain to die was the admin actions removing moderators. Vegan cat food is pretty rarely discussed amongst actual vegans. It just happens to appear to be a "wedge issue" that kind of looks like a gotcha if you squint, thus it's beloved by anti-vegan trolls.

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[-] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 25 points 2 weeks ago

Hexbear's largest and most site-threatening drama was over its vegan comm (and I think the mods of Reddit's vegancirclejerk?). It ended with the site requiring content warnings on all pictures of meat.

But you know what? They were right. Vegans are basically right about everything, and the reason me and my fellow omnis get our jimmies so rustled by them is because we fucking know they're right.

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[-] Bakersfield@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Did they move to .ml or hexbear?

[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 19 points 2 weeks ago

Both already had a vegan community and hexbear is vegan by default (carnists need to tag their post if it contains meat, dairy etc.)

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[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago

ITT: circlejerking.

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