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[-] blunderworld@lemmy.ca 321 points 4 months ago

If my retail experience is any indication, acknowledging customers in this situation is a bad idea. Before you know it, the conversation turns to "I just need one thing!" Or "I promise I'll be really quick!" and you have to become the asshole to tell them no... Even though the store hours are clearly listed on the front door.

Or if you agree even once, the conversation could easily become "but you did it for me/my friend last time!"

I've literally had people sneak into the store using an exit, then act all indignant because I tell them to leave. You give some of these fuckers an inch, they'll take a mile.

[-] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 117 points 4 months ago

My favorite way out of that situation was to tell them that the registers were automatically shut down at closing. Literally no way to ring up a purchase. It worked most of the time

That's why there's the JADE acronym. You never justify, argue, defend, or explain. That makes them think there's a chance if they just counter every single thing you say.

[-] LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 4 months ago

"Can't you just do it on paper?"

[-] Stamau123@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago
[-] TriPolarBearz@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Sure, just let me buy this one thing first.

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[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

I usually lead with, “That’s out of my control,” or “that’s above my pay grade.” Most of the time people get it.

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[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 44 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They did it for me last time is the bane of all service jobs. I managed a pizza place for years that would sometimes get up to over 200 food products per hour. You could see about the first 20 of them at a time on the screens. There was no way to indicate modifications that weren't available in the POS. I personally trained every new employee on phones and till.

I would tell them you're going to talk to a lot of assholes. There will be the person that wants extra cheese on their cheesesticks. You have to tell that person no. You cannot sell anything that can't be entered into the computer.

Every day during the insane dinner rush I'd either get employees coming over to say hey extra cheese on the cheesesticks on order 215. We're on order 175. There is no way those cheesesticks are going to get extra cheese.

No time to correct the employee, no time to call the customer back. Or the other which was worse. The customer would escalate the call to me. "They did it for me last time!"

I'm stuck on the phone with this piece of shit and I can't be firefighting. The fires grow. Sometimes they get so bad we have to stop production to get back on track. This means we get so far behind that I'll have to stay an extra hour or two to right the ship. For no extra pay. The customers get pissed as the wait and delivery times increase. Escalations to management increase. The whole place is engulfed in flame. Next thing I know I've been there for 12 hours for no extra pay.

Wasted my fucking mid 20s to early 30s there. It permanently ruined my mental health. It turned me into an alcoholic.

I could rant endlessly and I have so many stories.

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[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago

Yup! You learn REAL fast, that if you just don't make eye contact they'll eventually go away.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 32 points 4 months ago

When I worked at McDonald's I used to keep the DriveThru headset on after closing while I was doing paper work to tell people "sorry, we're closed" if they drove up to the speaker board. (Mind you, the building lights and menu board lights are off at this point. Something we call a "clue".)
That stopped after one too many people screamed "FUCK YOU!" into the speaker board (for us following our posted hours and me politely informing them instead of ignoring them.)

You quickly adopt a policy of "just ignore them and they'll figure it out."

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

There's also a lot of stores with a policy that tills can't be counted or processed unless everyone is accounted for and all doors locked, if you have to reset that process it can be an extra hour of work.

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[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 150 points 4 months ago

Everyone should work food service and retail at least once in their lives. It would give perspective to, and teach respect for, what those workers have to endure.

[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 59 points 4 months ago

The worst part of retail/food service is the inescapable feeling of dread when you stare down the endless abyss of being stuck in that job day in and day out, forever, until you die. Only by resigning yourself to that fate does one gain the perspective needed to truly sympathize with the working class.

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[-] Caesium@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago

fuck the draft, make everyone spend a year or two in the service industry after high school

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

From the bottom up. No skipping washing dishes, cleaning out the walk-in cooler, scraping grills, cleaning fryers… Yeah, front of house has its own difficulties, but it’s a lot easier than the grunt work in the back.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 28 points 4 months ago

I don't think we need to compare. Both suck, and both teach valuable life skills. Back of house how terrible you can be treated by corporate overlords and management with some of the worst jobs. Front of house teaches you how terrible you can be treated by the general public. I have both scars on my hands from molten grease and I've been screamed at by old ladies because corporate raised the senior coffee price from 49 to 53 cents. Both show you how awful different things can be.

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[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

I don't know. Some people who experience abuse and escape it become far worse abusers when they're in position to do so.

[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is very true. I was at my retail job and a customer walked up to me while I happened to be leaning on my workstation because my back hurt. The first thing he says to me is, “when I had a fast food job, if there was time to lean, there was time to clean!“ I looked at him, and then I turned around and walked away. He had this stunned look on his face. I walked into the back room To cool off a bit before I walked back onto the floor. It was probably five or eight minutes. When I walked back out, he was still standing there, at my workstation, waiting for me.

I went to lunch.

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[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 134 points 4 months ago

They mad because they wouldn't acknowledge them or service them after the placed closed? What fucking Karen.

[-] Korne127@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm sorry, but… no. Like, if you don't know it's closed and people do see you and just say nothing, that's just… not nice. It takes three seconds to shake their head or say we're closed something.

LONG EDIT: Trying to explain myself a bit as this got many negative comments. (I also said most of this in responses to people answering this).

I originally thought that they didn't know the store is closed, and just tried to put myself in their shoes. In that case, it just doesn't hurt to clarify by the staff and I can get the frustration of being ignored. I personally also had situations where I was confused because a store closed an hour earlier than it said on the door and online, and I was really grateful for the staff to clarify. Of course, if they know that the store is closed and just demanded some kind of personal acknowledgement, this is pretty ridiculous behaviour. And I personally definitely wouldn't behave like that (or even write such a review).

I also think that it's still good if the staff responds to someone knocking at the store. This doesn't mean that they are an "asshole that demands to be served". I personally also did this at one point because I lost my wallet inside the store. Luckily, the people there were really nice and opened it so I could search for it. I was really thankful, and the day would have been really horrible if they ignored me.

In the end, I think this also might be a cultural thing. Many people answered with stories of awful entitled customers that demanded ridiculous things. If this is your base experience, maybe you have other prejudices against someone knocking at the door.
As a customer, I always see a store worker as a human and engage respectfully, and most people I know do the same. I hope this is true for most people. Therefore, if someone knocks, it seems reasonable that they have a valid concern and / or are confused. But of course, if someone would do that just to push a store worked and asking them to do something they can't do, that would be absolutely awful behaviour.

[-] blunderworld@lemmy.ca 195 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Here's a tip I've found useful: if I show up somewhere after closing time and find that the door is locked, it's because the store is closed.

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 46 points 4 months ago

What if it's after closing time, it's locked, but the people inside are nodding at me?

[-] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 75 points 4 months ago

Then they have some illegal after-hours business going on and are waiting for you to say the password.

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[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 85 points 4 months ago

Fuck that bullshit, she knew they were fucking closed. They shouldn't have to explain it. I am sure there was a sign on the door. No this woman wanted them to waste time acknowledging her so she could spend 10 minutes explaining why they should service her after hours.

They were busy doing clean up after close so they could go home. Just by reading her review I can promise you she bitch if they had shaken their heads. I stare at dumb bitch too who was probably banging on the door trying get them to let her in.

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I don't see anyone mentioning the "tossing their hair". Bitch they werent staring at you and doing a fucking model shoot they were telling your entitled ass "no".

TMDH

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[-] Buttflapper@lemmy.world 82 points 4 months ago

Like, if you don't know it's closed

They literally stated that they knew it was closed

It takes three seconds to shake their head or say we're closed something

The signage on the door explains the hours of operation, and the door is locked. Why should that have to be explained?

[-] davad@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago

The bigger deal is how many customers will react worse if you engage with them in any way. If that weren't the case, pointing to the hours, shaking your head, etc, would be reasonable.

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[-] Mesophar@lemm.ee 61 points 4 months ago

"Just kept tossing their hair and looking at me."

Are we sure the employees weren't shaking their heads at the customer and they are just an idiot? I'm also assuming the doors were already locked, or they would have just walked in, and the hours are typically posted on the door. I feel that should be enough of an indication the store is closed. People don't need to have their hands held through everything I life. Expecting a little independence from them isn't being not nice.

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[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 44 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

People like you and the reviewer need to work a service job, at least once in your lives. "Closed", I wonder what that means?? The registers are all shut down, there's no cash. If it's a food place, the grill is off. They are not serving customers. So no, just because there happens to be glass or bars you can see workers through, they are not required to acknowledge people on the street or "be nice". They are trying to get home at a somewhat reasonable time!

PTSD from having to literally stop people from entering grocery stores after 11:00p in a previous job...

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[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

Nope, you never engage. Never ever engage. That flaming asshole who's too self centered and ignorant to read the hours posed on the door they're banging on and refuses to accept that the store is closed for EVERYONE including them, isn't going to be polite, honest, or responsible. If you engage, they will immediately punish you for it. Don't ever make that mistake.

You don't work for the customer, you work for the store. It's not always a crime to go along with a customer, but it's always a negative when they want to push you to violate policy, change prices, complain about Mike in sporting goods for having a mustache, or ''I'll be real quick I sware'' shopping when the store is closed. They will always punish you.

I eventually figured out that when a customer gets shitty, more than half the time if I say ''I work for the store and I'm responsible for [the dumbass shit you want me to do], if I violate store policy I'll be fired" they suddenly realize this isn't a game, and stop acting like a can of smashed assholes.

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[-] itchick2014@midwest.social 30 points 4 months ago

The best solution I have seen to this was the guy I worked with, sick of people shaking the doors repeatedly while we were redoing signage after close exclaimed at some door shakers: “what the fuck you doing bro?!” Those of us in the store lost it and the customers walked away embarrassed. From your comment, I can tell you have not had a job that works with the general population directly like retail. You lose patience pretty quickly with others trying to complain to get their way, push boundaries, and sometimes just be assholes. You should try it sometime. It is quite enlightening.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 19 points 4 months ago

I understand that, but is that worthy of an instant 1-star review?

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[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 112 points 4 months ago

Sometimes it’s just pure obliviousness and you really need to speak up.

One of my embarrassing moments was shopping at a teacher store to supply my ex’s classroom. We were kind of enjoying the afternoon so taking our time, no big deal. Then the store people started coming over more frequently to ask if we needed help. No thank you. Eventually we make our way to the register and were shocked to discover the store closed half an hour ago. wtf, why didn’t someone kick us out, or at least stop being so damn polite and tell us they were closing since we clearly didn’t realize it? I’ll never forget the cringe of keeping people so late, and we were just enjoying leisurely shopping that could have finished long since

[-] lemmyseikai@lemmy.world 64 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I worked retail at a store that had a rule that we DO NOT rush customers out if they come in before we lock the doors. We were NOT allowed to mention we were closed and we were NOT allowed to roll out merchandise to the aisles.

Corportate was confused on how our store had so much overtime when customers would regularly walk in a minute before close, stay an hour and buy nothing.

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago

Worked at a staples store in the early 2000s and we’d make an announcement that the store was closing 30 minutes before, 15 minutes before and then another when we closed.

Nobody was rushed out by employees but we still let them know.

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[-] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 29 points 4 months ago

My favorite tactic used by several of the coffee shops near me is they start slowly turning the music louder. People naturally start leaving once it's too loud to think or talk. Place I used to work at we'd turn off half the lights and everyone would just show up at the register no confrontation needed. People were fine with it a vast majority of the time but occasionally there would be someone who asked us to turn the lights back on so they could keep shopping

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[-] violetring@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

The thing is, you don't know if the customer is just an asshole or oblivious. So, I could confront you and risk being yelled at (which I really don't want to deal with at the end of a shift), then stand around waiting for a half hour, OR I could skip the yelling and just stand around waiting for a half hour.

I work at a restaurant inside a park. We open an hour after the park opens, and one of the store entrances is attached to the park welcome building. The doors for that entrance do not securely lock, and can be opened, with a bit of struggle, while locked. You know it's going to be an interesting day when you have to kick people out BEFORE we open. We don't turn the lights on until open, but every couple weeks people still manage to get in and expect to be seated.

You can hear them struggle with the door from across the room. They walk into a dark restaurant. You say "I'm sorry we don't open for another 15 minutes". Most of the time their response is not to apologize and leave. I've heard the open ended statements "Well we're here now", or "your doors were unlocked", or even the more presumptuous "can we eat in the trolley?". They are still made to wait outside and are inevitably mad about it.

I will choose to avoid confrontation anytime I can, as most of the time I don't have a choice.

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[-] hate2bme@lemmy.world 47 points 4 months ago

Had people knocking on the door 2 minutes before we opened the other day. I acted like I didn't see them and waited until 1101 to open just to be petty.

[-] technomad@slrpnk.net 37 points 4 months ago

People like that will be mad either way. There's no right answer.

[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

They were closed, they don't owe you shit.

[-] deltreed@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Writes a bad review when all he had to do was look at the store hours on the sign. Did he also need their personal confirmation that they were closed? People are getting so strange in 2024.

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