Now do the same for sugar
a former coworker sat and tried to convince me that sugar is neither bad for you nor addictive. the sugar lobby psychological manipulation propaganda machine is the behemoth that has to be dismantled before any meaningful change can even be attempted
this coworker was an instructional academic librarian who included confirmation bias and how to avoid it in her teaching
Sugar is NOT bad for you. Too much of anything is what's bad.
Drinking too much water can kill you.
yea, the whole "everything is bad for you if you do enough of it to kill yourself!" is a pretty common response. and yes, that's true. there IS a threshold for everything. one cigarette won't kill you either.
Agreed but the cigarette analogy is not really accurate.
Sugar is arguably good for you in moderation. We evolved to seek out sugar in the form of fruits, berries, etc. Quick energy, fast acting carbohydrates etc.
Can't think of how this translates to a single cigarette lol.
"In moderation" being the key part. As in, not selling drinks and snacks that are like 30% sugar
Agree 100%. And arguably "in moderation" is much lower than people might want it to be. Plus most of this stuff is processed with high fructose corn syrup trash.
Agreed but the cigarette analogy is not really accurate.
why not? if you're going by "too much of anything is bad for you," then doesn't it follow that "NOT too much of anything isn't necessarily bad for you"?
so yea, one soda won't kill you = true. also one cigarette won't kill you = true.
what i'm getting at is that your "argument" isn't one
The human body doesn't need nicotine to survive
The human body also doesn't need added sugars to survive.
But it does need sugar to survive. Comparing sugar to cigarettes is kinda dumb. But you keep making whatever false equivalencies support your argument, boo.
You absolutely do not need to consume any sugar to survive.
What little sugar you do need (an absolutely tiny amount) your body can easily make itself.
Yeah except that every can of coke is too much, and most people don't have a problem with water addiction
Agreed, corn syrup shouldn't be added to almost all food on the taxpayers' dime.
Cut sugar by 75% and we're getting somewhere.
How about 50%. Also do sugar and probably saturated fat. Also ban high fructose corn syrup.
And some dyes, bread additives, BVO, etc. commercial food processing in the US is a bit of a mess.
The US FDA has addressed BVO finally, even though everyone else already stopped. https://www.fda.gov/food/cfsan-constituent-updates/fda-revokes-regulation-allowing-use-brominated-vegetable-oil-bvo-food
ban high fructose corn syrup.
Won't happen as long as the corn subsidies are in place. Corn is literally everywhere and the US is probably #1 in the world in terms of converting corn into things that aren't corn.
Also also, can we revisit nutritional information on the packages? Make the serving sizes more easy to understand to humans, I'm not measuring out cups, ounces, or grams of food. Every container should have a label, even if it came in a bigger package. Sweeteners should be combined into parentheses too so the ingredients don't look like "water, flour, glucose, sucrose, dextrose, maltose, high fructose corn syrup, sugar" (now with less sugar!)
I feel like I recall a story about a chip company that slowly reduced their salt content by like 50% over a number of years and literally no one noticed or complained.
I definitely saw another story about how they were researching pyramid-shaped salt crystals because they have higher surface area to volume, and with cuboid salt you wind up swallowing it before the whole thing even dissolves, so you're not even getting a theoretical flavor experience, it's just going straight into your gut.
We eat too much salt. It's absurd.
Salt is not an issue if you're healthy and drink enough water. Our problem is we're not healthy and don't drink enough water...we eat chips and drink coke with it.
I'd caveat it's not unhealthy if you sweat a lot, drink lots of water, AND consume a level of dietary potassium 2x that of your sodium intake, which pretty much nobody is. (and disclaimer I'm no doctor).
Sodium and potassium work together with opposite functions via the sodium-potassium pump. Too much salt leads to water retention within cells. That's the best case scenario so long as you're drinking lots of water. Too much salt absent of potassium will send blood pressure up due to vasoconstriction.
Potassium helps the body regulate fluid retention and helps to concentrate urine while helping with vasodilation of blood vessels (among many other important functions).
Just learning all this as I've taken a deep-dive on this stuff for my own health as well as my mom's.
Can confirm, source: I eat ~7000mgs/day
As someone who has always been on a low-sodium diet, but who nonetheless has a hankering for processed food, thank fuck.
Everything has become so ridiculously salty, if you aren’t already used to the salt, that it’s largely inedible. It would otherwise be really good, but holy shit.
If we can get people consuming less salt in some places, they will want less in other places as well, maybe food as a whole will be less salty.. that would be a win in every single way for everyone. Everyone who regularly eats with me tends to want less salt in their food overall as a result, so I know it works, and it doesn’t even take that long.
Thats great, but can we do high fructose corn syrup next? That shit is just evil on multiple levels.
I like chips and guac, but every time I go to the store and the low sodium chips are out of stock...I don't buy chips.
Once you get used to it the regular ones are disgustingly salty.
It's especially bad, in my experience, with plant-based foods that they're trying to make taste like meat.
I had the Impossible Whopper once... it was almost like eating a soft block of salt.
Plant based meats are bassically the definition of highly processed food.
They'll up the chloride content by 40% to compensate, though.
Unironically, yes. A common substitute for table salt (sodium chloride NaCl) is potassium salt (potassium chloride KCl).
The good news is that the health problems with table salt is the sodium, not the chloride. Potassium actually has the opposite effect on the body, so a higher potassium intake would actually help treat a high sodium intake.
Fun fact: potassium chloride is what the United States has primarily used in lethal injection which has been used to execute 1400 people since 1976.
I'm absolutely going to hear some Karen later repeat this fact as a reason to protest against 'government crackdowns on salt' or something, aren't I?
I bet they just put 20% less food in the package.
Is this going to turn into conservatives freaking out and just eating salt shakers to prove how not-woke they are?
It's really annoying how every attempt to make things better seems to be met with "fuck you I refuse to acknowledge anything beyond my short term comfort"
No, not my salt and vinegar kettle chips! 😭
Too bad, they're vinegar and salt now!
Sea salt flavor is now just sea flavor.
Who cares about sodium, can we get rid of high fructose corn syrup? I mean reducing sodium sounds good, but it's not even on the same playing field
The risks of sodium aren't universal (some people appear to have immunity), and were exaggerated by the sugar industry.
Homing in on a single number at a time is like plugging one leak and having another spring up. The laser focus on reducing fat, for example, led to foods using more salt and sugar to compensate and that created other problems. We need a more holistic approach to diet.
It’s not just the chips that are the problem (although many brands are so salty they burn my mouth) , everyone knows they’re salted.
Hopefully this includes the chicken nuggets and other prepared foods that not everyone realizes are high in sodium
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