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This Italian "newspaper" wanted to depict the "indian heritage" of an US candidate. Chennai, Cherokee, the same. (feddit.it)

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Can you notice that it's a bit leaning to the right?

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[-] DrQuickbeam@lemmy.world 229 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

American in Italy here! I am not justifying this, just explaining it from an Italian perspective. First, the paper is not mixing up her Indian heritage here with Native American. They took the idea that she is seeking a white male VP running mate and wrote "hunting for a white man", which conjured up a "funny" homage to native Americans in spaghetti westerns, while giving a nod and a wink to the racism inherent in making the VP pick race-based. Second, this paper is a sensationalist rag sold in grocery store checkout lanes, with no expectation for the stories to be good, or free of any number of unsavory isms.

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 34 points 3 months ago

native Americans in spaghetti westerns.

I'm not sure how it is in Italy, but a lot of the older Italians I know absolutely love old westerns (of.... Varying quality)

[-] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 61 points 3 months ago

Spaghetti westerns are called that because they originate from Italy.

[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 months ago

Yep. They also created giant groups of people who think the saguaro cactus grows in Texas.

[-] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 15 points 3 months ago

It…it doesn’t?

[-] EpeeGnome@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

Yeah, the American West has a huge variety of very distinct biomes. For the purpose of telling a story though, one rocky desert or forested mountain vale or whatever is as good as another, leaving us, the audience, largely unaware and misled. We mostly only notice when they do that to areas we're familiar with.

Reminds me of the movie The Patriot, starring Mel Gibson. There's a scene where he is at his home in what is clearly the upcountry of South Carolina not too far from the Appalachians and he takes a walk down his garden path to visit his wife's grave, which is located in the South Carolina lowcountry, by the coast, somehow skipping past over a hundred miles of pine forest that would have been between those areas. If you're not familiar with those areas, they both just look like areas in the American Southeast, but if you are familiar, it's very jarring.

[-] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 6 points 3 months ago

I had a similar experience with the TV show, Broadchurch.

I lived in one of the towns where it was filmed. The church, two of the main characters’ houses, the newspaper office, the high street, and the mechanic garage in the second season were all filmed in Clevedon, near Bristol. I lived about 100m from the church while they were filming it.

Watching the show, they’d walk down a familiar road, turn a corner, and suddenly they’d be on a beach in Dorset, 70 miles away. It was always jarring.

Great show though.

[-] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 3 points 3 months ago

For me as an Italian it was quantum of solace. He's fleeing from police in west Liguria, then somehow he makes a turn, loses them and he's in Siena - a bit unlikely that with a flashy and broken car like that he would have been unnoticed by police as it's at least 5 hours of toll highway or 12 hours of local roads. (And the European police cars were doing American police sounds, ultra weird)

Completely ruined the immersion for me, that's the only part that I remember of the movie

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I was watching a film set in the Midwest and they're driving between two rural towns but the corn they're driving by in one scene is Marty's long ear sweet corn, and then like two lines later they're driving by Nor'Eastern Hard Grain. Completely pulled me out of the movie those two fields would be miles apart!

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago

I watched some Gal Gadot movie recently, where she got on a motorbike in the far north of Iceland (Isafjordur airport) and rode to Reykjavik opera house in a matter of minutes. I'd consider both of these places to be somewhat landmarks as well.

But it didn't ruin it for me because it was terrible long before that. Arguably at the script and casting stages.

[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 months ago

AZ and CA, and Mexico are where they grow, I believe.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Cacti are fake!

https://images.app.goo.gl/qfnYjgEpkjR7M8FH7

!A joke obviously, this is actually the cell companies hiding their infrastructure from aliens!<

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[-] sudneo@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

Westerns are generally quite liked by the older generation. Leone's masterpieces are definitely cult movies that most people have watched.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Second, this paper is a sensationalist rag sold in grocery store checkout lanes,

ah, that explains it.

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[-] kvasir476@lemmy.world 106 points 3 months ago

To be fair the Italians have a 500+ year history of mixing up Indigenous Americans and Indians.

[-] felixwhynot@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

It’s tradition!

[-] cupcakezealot 8 points 3 months ago

spice-y take!

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

No, literally. Columbus thought he was landing in South Asia.

[-] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago

Pretty sure it was just a joke about spice and Indian food

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 59 points 3 months ago

Europeans: Americans are so obsessed with race

Also Europeans:

[-] sudneo@lemm.ee 22 points 3 months ago

This has almost nothing to do with race (or at least with hers), it's just a dumb analogy to play with the title in a western movie fashion. "Hunting the white man" refers to the search for a white vice-president that would play well with "wasp" population.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 3 months ago

I mean, they're right. The European version of racism is much more inattention and inexperience-fueled. This is arguably an example.

[-] huginn@feddit.it 10 points 3 months ago

That is not my experience in Italy.

Just ask a European about gypsies or African migrants. It will get very racist very quickly.

[-] shikitohno@lemm.ee 10 points 3 months ago

Yeah, my experience has been that a lot of countries whose residents tell me racism is an American problem and we should stop trying to project it onto other societies happen to live in countries with huge problems with it that just aren't explicitly spoken about in the same terms.

I had a Brazilian friend tell me race is not all that important in Brazil and that he's tired of Americans assuming it is. I periodically have to ask him, "Do you read Brazilian news, bro?" and send some links that make it blatantly obvious that racism is alive and well down there.

You also just get people who have bought into very pervasive attitudes in countries that justify/explain away racism when it's encountered.

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[-] sudneo@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

Or Albanians, Romanians and other people with a history of migration (at least in Italy).

That said, the racist dynamics in Italy are still different from those of a country with a much different history, linked to slavery and colonialism (thankfully Italian empire was a ridiculously failed attempt), with a different racial distribution in population. African migrants are for example a relatively new phenomenon. We are now at the 2nd generation give or take, and I have the feeling things will normalize ad they did for balcan people, as long as right-wing governments will not sabotage immigration on purpose to maintain it as a problem and gather votes...

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[-] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago

Europeans mistaking Americans for Indians for centuries.

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Specifically Italians, at that.

[-] EpeeGnome@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

Classic Italian mistake.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 41 points 3 months ago

Italian here, they probably did it on purpose so that people would repost it and they succeeded.

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

It's even worse if you consider that it's still offensive to Photoshop that on her even if she was Native American.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago

Perhaps they could remove some clothing and make her very muscular

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

Fucking Italians man...

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

I prefer Italian women, but you know ... when on a road leading to Rome (but walking in the opposite direction for obvious reasons), one has to keep an open mind.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Well, at least it's casual racism, not professional racism.
Oh, it's a newspaper, so a bit professional I guess, but like they didn't use their "best" racists.

Also who are the white folk they are referring to?
The other dude in the race is clearly orange (of some rapey citrus heritage). And the "catching" part, well, statistically speaking as DA she prob didn't do that much of that color either.

Everything around this is multilevel horribly resist, and yet the reality is several parallel universes ahead.

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[-] Donut@leminal.space 19 points 3 months ago

As a European I will admit I have no idea what's "wrong" with the picture. Other than it just looking like a mouthpiece for people instead of actually reporting things

[-] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Someone, somewhere has evidently misinterpreted the fact that US presidential candidate Kamala Harris (pictured center) is of Indian ancestry - as in her family is from the country in south Asia - and instead photoshopped her into the stereotypical Native American "Indian" aesthetic. Why they have chosen to do this eludes me.

[-] Donut@leminal.space 13 points 3 months ago

Ohh! As a European I do know the difference between those two types. It just didn't click that they got it wrong, I thought they had the feathers wrong (like part of the wrong native American tribe or something)

[-] orrk@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

because they don't actually know WHAT Indian she is, didn't bother to look into it, and assumed it to be the American one

[-] sudneo@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

No it's not that. Another comment explains it above, and it has to do with Western movies. Il tempo is usually just recommended to clean windows, but it's not what you (or OP) suggests.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago

Everything about this image is completely messed up

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

She's not Native American. Adding random head pieces to Native Americans is reductive and historically used to discount their opinion.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago

WTF?

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 6 points 3 months ago

You don't even need to guess it based on whatever USA they posted at the centre. Just look at Giorgia Merdoni at the left.

[-] RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

Giorgia Merdoni

Nice one

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Is that Elizabeth Warren?

[-] absquatulate@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

You're offended that a foreign xenophobic tabloid did not accurately depict her indian heritage in a goddamn caricature? Come on man, live and let live.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 27 points 3 months ago

her indian heritage

You're right at the cusp of understanding.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 3 months ago

No, they aren't.

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