There isn't always a victor when there is a loser (and visa versa fwiw). Reddit didn't win here, Redditors lost.

They did not win. It’s like Twitter, users stayed and suffered through one poor decision after another. Then, something outlandish would happen and people would migrate to Mastodon in good size numbers. Reddit will do that and Kbin and Lemmy will grow. There are so many cool apps for both. Now when users come over there’s content and various client apps that will make their stay more enjoyable.

I don’t care, good riddance. Fucking MySpace is still around too, doesn’t mean igaf

Reddit can continue to rot and choke on that CCP dick

sure they won but i nuked my post history and stopped going in all but a few instances (still checked out a few links when i had to troubleshoot things). i was a regular submitter/commenter/voter. should/will they care? probably not. but i feel better about myself and the situation. so the way i see it, reddit won, the redditors who stayed lost, and everyone who left won.

We did it Reddit!

But wait, really? It does not sound like a real victory here. Lots of quality mods retired, people left for Lemmy, and F--K SPEZ written all over the r/place?

Is that victory?

"and as things on the internet go, the passion for the protest has waned and people’s attention has shifted to other things"

Reddit pruned its userbase: informed and competent users don't align with enshittification path.

Reddit won the war because your stereotypical Reddit mod is a spineless narcissist who wields their banhammer as a coping mechanism for their real life issues. It's like being an internet caretaker was the only way they could gain any kind of validation.

They could very easily have overwhelmed the site and brought Reddit's admins to their knees had they collectively disabled automoderator, unbanned every user and just refused to enforce any rules (incl sitewide ones.) But the moment Reddit started threatening to demod people, they caved incredibly quickly, or tried to pull off alternative forms of protest to piss off the admins, but not to the point where they'd be immediately demodded and purged, á la AwkwardTheTurtle.

Anyone could have seen this coming from a mile away the moment we started seeing r/pics and r/videos push dumb rule changes like expletives in titles, text only, sexy pics of John Oliver, etc...

Honestly the only good thing that came out of the API protests were iBleeedOrange and AwkwardTheTurtle being permabanned from Reddit, and it's bittersweet that the hill Reddit chose to kill them on was over third-party apps.

They always were going to. Redditors have no backbone. Moderators moderate for power trips, which they need subreddits to be open for that. People go back when they want content since Lemmy is still immature to be a full on replacement. Same with the Twitter situation.

The silver lining is that this amount of disdain towards these social medias means it's a better time then ever to push new social media networks. People are eagerly waiting to jump to a viable alternative, so the network issue isn't nearly as big of a deal as it was.

Sure, reddit is still standing, but they've been poisoned and will die a slow but certain death. Lemmy however, will survive!

Reddit’s valuation is down from $15B when they closed their last round of pre-IPO funding. They were hovering in the $5B neighborhood before the APIpocalypse, and I find it hard to imagine that they’ve gained significant value since then. That’s a loss of 2/3 of the investments from their institutional partners and VCs. I hardly think they’re feeling like they deserve a victory lap.

The only reason why you wouldn’t pull an IPO due to a company’s value cratering by 2/3 is because people are looking to get whatever cash they can out of it before it completely collapses. If reddit were a healthy company, the valuation tanking would never have happened. If they were a survivable company, they would have pulled the IPO and made the organizational and policy changes necessary to restore at least some measure of value.

Spez is Musking the site because, like Musk, he is watching his business crash and burn and he has no idea what to do beyond making people pay him to be allowed to create and moderate content he can then resell.

The effects of the decisions being made will not be immediately obvious, especially when reddit doesn’t publish KPIs that show they’re hemorrhaging value. Twitter is notorious for releasing clutching-at-straws metrics in order to not have to address that the company Elon paid $44B for is now worth about $20B and falling.

Firing the mods and replacing them or bringing them to heel is at best a pyrrhic victory because they have not yet figured out how to stem the bleeding, and spez idolizing Musk’s moves at twitter shouldn’t instill a lot of confidence.

And Russia won the war in Ukraine and Donald Trump won the election in 2020.

Reddit doesn't need to fall for lemmy to be a great plattform.

Why are some here so obsessed with Reddit? I'm not here to constantly read about Reddit! I understand that some of you are seriously upset about what happened and it's okay to vent for some time, but please move on for your own good.

I deleted my 12 year old Reddit account, and I’m here. I still go there, but spend minutes rather that hours. I tried Hacker News, but some posts are really technical. I hope this is a new home.

People expect social media services to die and rise in a day. As much as people like to think that is how it works, it isn't—Reddit itself grew slowly overtime, before absorbing Digg and Lemmy will hopefully do the same. We just have to use it, enjoy it, and recommend it to people. Overtime, it will grow, and we have to hope for the best and spearhead that.

Thats how a lot of people, including me, ended up here on Lemmy, so I'm still glad it happened. Here I feel like im in the early days of the internet again and its great.

I'm not going back

The whole reddit thing aligned with other events in my life that pissed my sensibilities off, even more than i can usually stand, and i have learned to stand alot. It made me realize how much of my life was at the whims of greedy fucks who I don't agree with at all. Evolution through revolution I guess. woke me up in a way, a feeling that I've long forgotten tbh with you all. And that's mostly because of all of you and your ideas.

Lemmy is just good for me.

Those out for self interest are shortsighted, and what WE are doing is pushing in the right direction IMHO. Someone's gotta push and here we are.

This article is b*******. Reddit didn't win, Reddit is a scorched Earth, with most of its useful quality data stripped from it. I for one didn't know what was going on for about a month, and was wondering why all the good posts were gone, it wasn't until someone explained to me what Reddit was doing and how it would cause the rest of the internet to do the same that I finally understood why everyone trashed Reddit on the way out.

I don't think its as boolean as winning or loosing, i'm enjoying lemmy and haven't used reddit since :)

Don't care. I <3 Lemmy. Community's great. If I could filter out Reddit posts here I would, including this one.

Nah, they didn't win, the results of these protests are going to be felt for a while and have shone a light on federated social media. Organic growth will always trump corporate growth and greed, that's the advantage of the fediverse.

Almost every subreddit folded after the management didnt collapse after a 2 days (!!!) protest, and then just went along with it with gritted teeth like Lemmy isn't a perfectly fine alternative???

Just started using lemmy 30 minutes ago, because i realized reddit had become boring and stale since the protests, i guess they actually did do some damage.

Anyway im here to try out lemmy lets see hoq it goes

And yet I'm here. They lost.

They can’t force me to use that place. calling it a ‘win’ it’s like a dismissive abusive ex saying they won an argument by default if you never talk or see them again. Sounds like the fact they need to make news articles like this is like how MGTOW obsesses talking about how much they are over women still.

That's kinda what happens when you say "we're gonna protest for 2 whole days then go back to normal" lol. All Reddit execs and admins had to do was sit on their hands for 2 days and not say anything.

It's hilarious that whoever came up with the 2 day blackout thing thought that would make any bit of difference.