494

As a full time desktop Linux user since 1999 (the actual year of the Linux desktop, I swear) I wish all you Windows folks the best of luck on the next clean install šŸ‘

...and Happy 30th Birthday "New Technology" File System!

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] Rakust@kbin.social 233 points 1 year ago

How do you know when someone uses linux?

Don't worry, they'll tell you

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

We have extra time to diss Windows since we donā€™t have to wait for our OS to reboot all the fucking time.

[-] laylawashere44 57 points 1 year ago

Comment by someone who hasn't used Windows in an age. When was the last time you rebooted because you had installed new software? When was the last time you ran random code from a forum post to make software work? Because this windows user doesn't remember ever doing that.

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Literally today. Thatā€™s why I brought it up. I installed updates and had to reboot twice to finish the task.

[-] herrvogel@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Most Linux package managers themselves tell you you should reboot your system after updates, especially if the update has touched system packages. You can definitely run into problems that will leave you scratching your head if you don't.

[-] pacoboyd@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago

*nix systems are not immune to needing reboots after updates. I work as an escalation engineer for an IT support firm and our support teams that do *nix updates without reboots have DEFINATELY been the cause of some hard to find issues. We'll often review environment changes first thing during an engagement only to fix the issue to find that it was from some update change 3 months ago where the team never rebooted to validate the new config was good. Not gonna argue that in general its more stable and usually requires less reboots, but its certainly not the answer to every Windows pitfall.

load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[-] pacoboyd@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Haven't used windows in a while huh?

Edit: Just to clarify, I run ALOT of operating systems in my lab; RHEL, Debian, Ubuntu (several LTS flavors), TruNAS, Unraid, RancherOS, ESXi, Windows 2003 thru 2022, Windows 10, Windows 11.

My latest headless Steam box with Windows 11 based on a AMD 5600g basically reboots about as fast as I can retype my password in RDP.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] RobertOwnageJunior@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I have extra time because I don't waste my time on making up arguments!

[-] Audbol@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

And boy do you guys ever talk about Windows... Like constantly. Go on any Linux subreddit or community and 8 of the top 10 posts will mention Windows.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] HR_Pufnstuf@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I wouldnā€™t tell you if I use Linux. I would tell YOU to use Linux. That reminds meā€¦ use Linux!

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] Fylkir@lemmy.sdf.org 82 points 1 year ago

The last update to NTFS was in 2004.

The fact that ReFS doesn't even support all the features NTFS does is pathetic.

[-] deranger@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Genuine question, not being sarcastic.

Whatā€™s the benefit to the average end user to modernizing NTFS?

Sure, I love having btrfs on my NAS for all the features it brings, but Iā€™m not a normal person. What significant changes that would affect your average user does NTFS require to modernize it?

I just see it as an ā€œif itā€™s not brokenā€ type thing. I canā€™t say Iā€™ve ever given the slightest care about what filesystem my computer was running until I got into NAS/backups, which itself was a good 10 years after I got into building PCs. The way I see it, it doesnā€™t really matter when Iā€™m reinstalling every few years and have backups elsewhere.

[-] vividspecter@lemm.ee 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
  • Near instantaneous snapshots and rollback (would help with system restore etc)
  • Compression that uses a modern algorithm
  • Checking for silent corruption, so users know if their files are no longer correct

I'd add better built in multi-device support and recovery (think RAID and drive pooling) but that might be beyond the "average" user (which is always a vague term and I feel there are many types of users within that average). E.g. users that mod their games can benefit from snapshots and/or reflink copies allowing to make backups of their game dirs without taking up any additional space beyond the changes that the mods add.

[-] havokdj@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Add speed in there

NTFS is slow

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] Fylkir@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 year ago

At the very least, better filesystem level compression support. A somewhat common usecase might be people who use emulators. Both Wii U and PS3 are consoles where major emulators just use a folder on your filesystem. I know a lot of emulator users who are non-technical to the point that they don't have "show hidden files and folders" enabled.

Also your average person wouldn't necessarily need checksums, but having them built into the filesystem would lead to overall more reliability.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 year ago

Unbelievably, Windows still has a ridiculously short filepath length limit.

[-] Exec@pawb.social 25 points 1 year ago

Nope, long paths are supported since 8.1 or 10 person bit you have to enable it yourself because very old apps can break

[-] eco@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Furthermore, apps using the unicode versions of functions (which all apps should be doing for a couple decades now) have 32kb maximum character length paths.

[-] sorenant@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Are you writing parahraphs for folder/file names? That's one "issue" I never had problem with.

Maybe enterprises need a solution for it but that's a very different use case from most end users.

Improvements are always welcome but saying it's "ridiculously short" makes the problem sound worse than it is.

[-] Tekchip@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

I think they mean the full path length. As in you can't nest folders too deep or the total path length hits a limit. Not individual folder name limits.

[-] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

File paths. Not just the filename, the entire directory path, including the filename. It's way too easy to run up against limit if you're actually organized.

load more comments (16 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[-] tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 40 points 1 year ago

You want your filesystems to be old and stable. It's new filesystems you want to view with suspicion.. not battle tested.

[-] olutukko@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't really say so. Of course it's not a good idea take the absolutely latest system as your daily driver since it's propably not bugproof yet but also you don't want to use something extremely old just because it's been tested much more because then you're just trading away perfomance and features for nothing. For example ext4 is extremely reliable and the stable version is 15year newer than NTFS.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] pouines@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago

I read Ā«Ā NFTs turns 30 yoĀ Ā». Definitely need an exorcism.

[-] drasticpotatoes@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I did as well. Time to find some mind bleach.

[-] lyCosmo@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

I read it as NFTS and was very confused for a minute.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can it die now? ZFS all the things!

load more comments (5 replies)
[-] InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

It is weird to me that Microsoft hasn't updated the file system in so long. They were going to with Longhorn/VIsta but that failed and it seems like they've been gunshy ever since.

[-] ultratiem@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

You donā€™t sound like you weren't around the Windows Vista/Longhorn development days when they promised a successor to NTFS and then over the course of the next couple of years, would bail on that (and nearly every other promise made).

WinFS: https://www.zdnet.com/article/bill-gates-biggest-microsoft-product-regret-winfs/

And FWIW, they are developing ReFS, which looks like it will finally supplant NTFS, but given MSā€™ business model, donā€™t expect NTFS to ever really disappear.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)
[-] TheOldRepublic@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I use both. I like Linux better, even more since W10. It's spyware, crap, all those nasty things. But hey, I'm a pc gamer and, sadly enough, my games (80% of them) all get funcky in Linux (wine, playonlinux,... I tried it all), so guess I'm stuck with the crap. But again, Linux is far better and superior

[-] TheRedSpade@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

When's the last time you tried gaming on Linux? Valve has made a ton of progress with Proton in the last few years.

[-] TheOldRepublic@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It's been a few months now, so I guess I could try it again

load more comments (5 replies)
[-] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago
load more comments (3 replies)
[-] Tramdan@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago
[-] BlueBockser@programming.dev 16 points 1 year ago
load more comments (2 replies)
[-] Secret300@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

This might sound ignorant but that's cause I am. Why doesn't windows just use ext4, btrfs, XFS, or something open source. They wouldn't have to worry about developing it so it'd be a load off their chest and they could get really good features that even NTFS doesn't have. Well maybe not with ext4 but with btrfs

[-] salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Microsoft really really hated open source some time ago. Now they seem to have embraced it, however some still think that might be an attempt to EEE.

Still, I suppose Microsoft doesn't think replacing the Windows default filesystem is a sound investment at this point even if the political resistance to such a change is, supposedly, gone.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Not Terribly Fast System

[-] markon@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Btrfs FTW. EXT 4 is also pretty darn good. Windows is ~~a joke~~ not a good fit for my use cases and has privacy issues about many others. I just it very occasionally but mostly run Arch Linux for my needs. Windows Games are running better under WINE/Proton than native in Windows often now.

[-] PsyconicX@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

The only reason why I am running Linux and Windows in dual boot is because of Valorant and the Office 365 suite. Otherwise I would already be done with Windows. Linux is just amazing.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ā€ŗ
this post was submitted on 27 Jul 2023
494 points (100.0% liked)

Technology

59192 readers
2103 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS