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[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 154 points 4 months ago

Everyone's arguing about whether or not the main character should be black while forgetting the more important point: Ubisoft is trash, and we shouldn't be buying their uninspired shovelware anyway.

[-] Nom@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago

The other commenters don't seem to understand the difference between boycotting and gatekeeping...

I'm with you man, I haven't bought any Ubisoft stuff for over 10 years now. And the more I learned the more I got surprised by how shovelware can be made even worse.

The last Ubisoft game was Assassin’s Creed 3, right?

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[-] barooboodoo@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

I don't understand the gatekeeping here, do you get mad that people enjoy the fast and furious movies? It's not like these are funneling resources away from the tons of great indie games that are literally constantly coming out these days.

[-] MagnyusG@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

Movies don't demand an unreasonable amount of money and time out of you the viewer, you buy your ticket and watch the film, maybe you buy the DVD, done end of story.

Ubisoft games demand a minimum of 70 dollars out of you and upwards of 60 hours all while blocking your progress with arbitrary experience checkpoints and pestering you about spending even more money for weapons, gear, mounts, etc. as if it were a free to play MMO like Fortnite, except you already dumped 70 dollars to play the damn thing.

Not sure where indie games have anything to do with Ubisoft.

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[-] corus_kt@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I'm not for gatekeeping but I can understand the pushback in this case. People had the same argument for Bethesda horse armor in the past and it's gradually been abused to stuff like day 1 dlc and Diablo IP becoming a predatory mtx handphone game. At some point if you don't voice concerns over Ubisoft delisting games (the crew) or $100+ pricing bundles, you shouldn't be surprised if Ubi opts to mess with previously beloved IPs for a quick buck.

It's great that you love indies and all but shaming other people for being frustrated at Ubi's business practices is no better than gatekeeping people for liking their new games.

[-] barooboodoo@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

You're extrapolating a whole lot here, all I was responding to was OP saying "we" shouldn't buy Ubisoft games because they're trash and all they make is uninspired shovelware. Just a weird stance in my opinion to concern yourself with what shovelware other people are buying and enjoying in their free time. Guess that's an unpopular opinion here haha

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

you get mad that people enjoy the fast and furious movies

No, because they are action comedies that consistently deliver.

Also, I'd be hard pressed to name a more ethnically diverse movie cast. The epitome of a "something for everyone" movie.

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[-] pyrflie@lemm.ee 68 points 4 months ago

I beat an ancient Egyptian god to death with a Q-tip. Any claim Assassin's Creed might have had to approximating historical accuracy died several games ago even if we ignore the Ancient Aliens bullshit that's been around since the begining.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Wasn't the original premise that you were a dude in the present using a time machine to explore "genetic memory" in a real time simulation in order to find the ark of the covenant or spear of destiny or someshit for the Illuminati?

[-] pyrflie@lemm.ee 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Correct, they were looking for the "apple of eden" (golden orb from the first few games). It gets revealed by the end of the Renaissance arc that objects they are looking for are technological remnants of an ancient civilization that created humans as a slave race by stripping out parts of their own genetic code. It's a bastardized version Sichin's Ancient Aliens "theory".

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I think they crammed "becuz aliens" in there a few games later to explain away all the magic.

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[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

I was guessing this was about Ghost of Tsushima since it just released on PC. Is his an assassin creed thing?

[-] pyrflie@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago

Yeah it's for the new AC Shadows trailer, one of the main characters is a black samurai.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Ah ok thanks. Good on Ubisoft I guess? Black people are part of the world and deserve to be represented. I'm sad that this is a fucking point of contention.

[-] lemonmelon@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago

Technically, they're only "Samurai" if they're produced in Nippon within the duration of the Kamakura Period through the Meiji Restoration. Otherwise they're just sparkling warrior-nobles.

[-] el_bhm@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

You are thinking of 51% min of corn. And produced in Kentucky. Fuck, thats whiskey. I mean Whisky!

Bourbon, I was talking about bourbon.

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[-] kaputter_Aimbot@feddit.de 43 points 4 months ago

Where was that "historically accurate" crowd when Keanu starred in 47 Ronin?!

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Or Jake Gyllenhaal in Prince of Persia. Or Finn Jones as Iron Fist.

Or Ben Affleck as Antonio J. Mendez in Argo, ffs. A role practically made for your Pedro Pascal type actor.

Hell, Tom Cruise pretending to be Irish in Far and Away was awful enough just because of the bad accent.

[-] PotatoKat@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Iron fist is a white dude in the source material unlike the other examples.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Oh they were there lol.

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[-] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 4 months ago

The argument is always the same. The CHUDS don't want to see black people, women, the gays, etc.

[-] Lurra@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago

Actually was expecting a Japanese man and woman to choose from.

[-] Uruanna@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

There's a playable Japanese woman in parallel to the Black man but I guess women don't count because gAmErS.

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 4 months ago

i miss the days when people made video games, and they were good.

I'm not sure why people are expecting the character of the video game to make or break the entire video game.

It's a new assassins creed game, it's probably going to be ass, like the rest of them.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

animal well.

The medium is alive and well.

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[-] Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

This is some of the worst discourse I’ve seen. I went to the latest Asmongold video about this topic and asked as many people as I could to explain how a black protagonist is pushing an agenda. Not replies. Guess it is hard to explain without claiming “not historically accurate” or just sounding like a white supremacist.

[-] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I genuinely do not get why people get so angry about the color of a character's skin in a work of historical FICTION. I dgaf about things being historical accurate in my video games. Does the guy look cool? Yup he sure do. Is the game gonna be good? It's Ubisoft so probably not. But let's assume that it will be for arguments sake.

Why is it so important to you that the character not be black? Assassin's creed as a franchise has been around for like what? Almost two decades now? And in all that time we've basically played as only white characters (with some exceptions). I don't see anything wrong with increased representation in works of art or entertainment. The more representation we see in media for any minority group the less likely it will be for the kids that grow up playing these games to grow up as racist assholes. And if you belong to a minority group, seeing someone with your skin tone represented in media will make you less likely to grow up with internalized self loathing. Like you might if all you see in media is the white dude saving the day.

At the end of the day these are works of entertainment. Their purpose isn't historically accuracy. It's entertainment and escapism. If we can't escape racism in a fucking video game how tf are we supposed to prevent it in real life?

[-] tomkatt@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Dude, these same folks flipped their shit when the default main character in Crackdown was black, way back in 2007. These idiots don't quit. I mean, we're talking about a game where you're a genetically engineered super-cop and had multiple choices of character race but their fragile egos were shattered because the default choice wasn't the white guy.

It's pathetic.

Mind you, I'm sure they were all fine and nodding their heads when Tom Cruise did the whole white savior thing in The Last Samurai.

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[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

From the trailer he just seems so terribly out of place. Also, it's bullshit to have a samurai in Japan in a game about assassins when they had fucking ninjas, the Japanese equivalent of assassins.

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

The AC games haven't been about covert assassination since Syndicate. They're much more focused on open combat now, and playing a samurai fits that better. Yeah, it's pretty stupid that a game series about assassins isn't really about assassination anymore, but that's where they're at.

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[-] uriel238 19 points 4 months ago

I gave up on Far Cry and Watchdogs not because the games were deteriorating with each iteration (they were / are) but because the sexual harrassment ring on which the upper management fed and HR silenced the victims made supporting the company untennable. At least for me.

Since then I've found alternative indie projects that have scratched some of those itches pretty well. I don't play Ubisoft, even those games I already ~~own~~ have licenses for.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I know you're not op but I don't really engage with public gamer forums since gamergate. I don't need the idiotic, racist/sexist/whateverist takes. I just want to forgot about the world for a bit and talk to my friends about how cool the pixels looked at that one point in time. I can get that with my friend on discord.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I thought it was common knowledge that "retainer" was literally the job description of all samurai... but I guess I should have known that the Weaboo Gamergate Brigade would conveniently ignore actual history.

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[-] Beinion1011@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Okay, here is what is going on and why people are getting mad. A lot of people are getting sick of the pandering to other cultures that seems way out of place. They just want their games to be games without some political message or propaganda being pushed to them.

This is not the case with this AC game. The person actually exists and Ubisoft loves putting notable historical people in the ACU.

When I see this outrage though I just think of the stink that was caused by Stellar Blade. It was super uncalled for and game media outlets have wild takes on the issue.

All I can say is stay informed and research the issue before seeing a post and getting upset about it. Don’t automatically assume malice or racism (though some people really are) and try to deduce where the anger is coming from.

[-] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 20 points 4 months ago

Okay, here is what is going on and why people are getting mad. A lot of people are getting sick of the pandering to other cultures that seems way out of place. They just want their games to be games without some political message or propaganda being pushed to them.

When gamers complain about this shit, it's usually just dog whistling. These same gamers never complain about the political bias inherent in the call of duty franchise. They're doing the enlightened centrist thing where they pretend to hold a moderate position but are actually deeply reactionary.

This is not the case with this AC game. The person actually exists and Ubisoft loves putting notable historical people in the ACU.

Yeah exactly my point.

Don’t automatically assume malice or racism

Void of logic and reason, I can only assume their position does boil down to malice and racism. Or are you being charitable and assuming ignorance?

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