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[-] Rageagainstbelief@lemmy.world 184 points 4 months ago

Execs and the late stage capitalism game they play is ruining everything.

[-] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 68 points 4 months ago

Seriously. They're actually betting against their own long term survival and it's baffling.

[-] wirelesswire@kbin.run 84 points 4 months ago

They don't care about their own long term survival. Their goal is to boost the next quarter and collect their bonuses, and when things go south, they jump ship with their golden parachutes and head to their next executive job.

[-] topperharlie@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

if capitalism was designed in a way that long term was relevant, we would have this conversation...

[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 146 points 4 months ago

Stop

Buying

AAA

Games

Stop

And don't confuse high budget indie studios with AAA game developers

[-] kratoz29@lemm.ee 73 points 4 months ago

I think I'm doing my part as a patient gamer.

[-] overload@sopuli.xyz 21 points 4 months ago

Same, bonus points if you don't even buy the AAA game when it's on sale, instead buy an indie game with that money.

[-] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 4 months ago

Man this is the way.. I just started fo4. Got the bundle with all dlc for like $30.

2 days later got the massive patch.

And if runs on Linux.. patient gaming is the best way

[-] kratoz29@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

patient gaming is the best way

I think being a patient gamer makes more sense nowadays (or at least since PS3/PS4 days) than it did before.

Many games are unfinished, unoptimized or need patches, and all this annoying experience is for the users which I like to call "unpaid beta testers" then when all the needed fixes arrive we can fully enjoy the best experience, at the best price.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I recently played RDR2 and Witcher 3. They're very good AAA

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 4 months ago

This is a nonsense take.

The Last of Us, Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, God of War, Doom. There are plenty of AAA games worth your time and money. Every bit as lovingly crafted as your precious indie darlings.

Maybe stop buying them blindly because you've seen a flashy ad for them on TV. There's plenty of bad AAA games that do all the gameplay competently but have literally nothing to say. Where you can't feel the touch of the designer at all, and all you can hear in it's place is a hubbub of design-by-committee noise. The only thing those games have to say is "give me your money".

[-] Lileath 10 points 4 months ago

Larian Studios who made Baldur's Gate 3 could technichally be called an Indie dev despite the big budget and employee count. The company is privately owned by its founder and the games are self published.

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[-] insomniac_lemon@kbin.social 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And don’t confuse high budget indie studios with AAA game developers

On the other hand, there are a lot of publishers out there who really shouldn't have things called indie when they're involved.

The ones who have struck gold (perhaps multiple times) and are already worth multiple millions, publicly traded or even owned largely by investment firms. Some like this still footing everything on the players (crowdfunding and then early access) and on top of all of that going onto places like Imgur and Reddit and doing unpaid marketing there (doesn't seem great for the actual devs, and then there are things like multiple accounts/sockpuppets/deleting+reposting etc).

And even without the unpaid marketing stuff, a publisher has a lot of ways to screw over developers and/or players usually with the goal of money in some form.

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[-] TKRyer@sh.itjust.works 96 points 4 months ago

Believe it or not, video games are art, and art is no longer for art’s sake. It’s for shareholders. That’s when these decisions happen.

[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

AI making art while humans turn the gears, sounds like the future we all wanted.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Return to Obra Dinn is some quality piece of art. There are still people making art instead of marketing.

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[-] gaael@lemmy.world 80 points 4 months ago

That's true, and it's a subset of another reality: execs are ruining life.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 76 points 4 months ago

It's the unchecked capitalism.

Better labor protection and antitrust laws would help, but the fundamental push is towards maximum exploitation of worker and customer. Power consolidates and then abuse for profit becomes easy.

[-] PseudorandomNoise@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

It’s unchecked because customers don’t really care. When is the last time there was a boycott of a game due to how the developers are treated?

[-] SkyeStarfall 12 points 4 months ago

Capitalism doesn't get checked by consumers, there are a billion things too much to properly pay attention to and no viable alternatives.

It gets checked by either regulations and laws or replacing it with something else.

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

There are so many viable alternatives. I've got an increasingly long list of things I won't tolerate in games anymore, and I'm nowhere near running out of games to play. The big problem is being able to identify which of those checkboxes are checked or not; PC Gaming Wiki is working for this purpose lately, though it shouldn't be necessary.

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 6 points 4 months ago

Boycotts are only one tool in the box. Legislation should be addressing things like consolidation of power and anti consumer practices.

Unfortunately, the US has one far right party that has many lunatics that don't believe in government (along with other insanities), and one center-at-best party that does that wield power effectively.

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[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 66 points 4 months ago

Capitalism ruins everything, news at 11.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 9 points 4 months ago

I'm trying my hardest to not buy any "AAA" game. The major corporations have lost me as a customer, I'll only be buying indie games.

... except monster hunter... It's been part of my life too long and it's one of like 3 game series I always play with an old friend lol

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[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Water is wet, the sky is blue, capitalism ruins everything.

[-] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 months ago

Capitalistic motives is incompatible with any art form. Executives are the harbingers of the mindless greed of it.

The good art we see under capitalism is in spite of it, not because of it.

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 43 points 4 months ago

Capitalists ruining things for everyone else? Gasp!

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

It's related to the bonus system. Execs are rewarded for share price increases instead of making good games. They'll alienate the whole playerbase and ruin 30% of future sales for 5% increase in revenue for current sales. The 5% is enough to increase the share price so that CEO's are entitled to compensation. So to min-max as a CEO it's best to alienate the playerbase.

Also spending more money on marketing than on the game will result in more games sold at the cost of next games sales in the same franchise.

The games industry is well overdue for a more product focused approach for brand building. Diablo 5 will probably never be made since polling will suggest no interest. It was a major cash cow and Diablo 3 sold like crazy because Diablo 2 was great. It's the enshittification of video games in full swing.

The entrenched Blizzard Activision is getting out competed by Paradox but Paradox is starting to screw up in the same ways by releasing Cities Skylines 2 without mod support. Cities Skylines 1 was good because of mods and Cities Skylines 2 is good, but not as good as 1 with mods.

Big companies should take a lesson from the indie book and do more closed betas, more early access and more mod support. Sell DLCs that improve a complete game instead of it being the last 10% of the unfinished game. Adding a map section like in Horizon Zero Dawn is great.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Meanwhile, a potential game of the year, Animal Well, was made by one dude and put out by a publishing company started by a goofy YouTuber.

[-] kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I'm 4hrs in and it's been a very rewarding experience so far! More heart than the last Assassin's Creed I played, which I don't even remember which one it was

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[-] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Execs are ruining

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

What's happening to games in this gen is just what happened to the larger tech industry before, MBAs that pretend to be human are put in charge of a product after creators already made it successful.

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 13 points 4 months ago

I wonder... does anyone know how many shares in a company you have to own before you can call-in during shareholder meetings to ask questions? I'm wondering if we could push back against this by """asking questions""" that make majority shareholders aware of the damage companies are doing to their own brands. I know modern capitalism is all about "money today, fuck tomorrow", but I wonder how many shareholders would be happy knowing that companies would probably make more money if they'd stop cannibalizing studios and franchises.

You know, play into their greed and make convincing arguments about how their decisions are ultimately robbing them of money.

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 19 points 4 months ago

Exxon just sued its shareholders for crying about climate change.

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[-] freebread@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

There was a guy a few years ago who spent $40k on Nintendo stock in order to ask about a new F-Zero in a shareholder meeting. They said no at the time but we did get F-Zero 99 last year so maybe he did make an impact.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They have a term for that type of shareholder... that I can't think of right now, sorry. A lot of big companies have things in place so 'disruptive' shareholders don't ruin their plans.

Edit. Exxon calls them "activist shareholders"

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[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 months ago

Execs should be made to provide benefits to society. I saw we blend them into nutrient paste and use it to make food for our hungry people.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

~~Take this with a grain of salt because I can't think of the proper search terms to verify what I think I remember reading:~~

Once upon a time corporations couldn't be created unless they proved a benefit to society. We really need to go back to that...

Edit: with more time I found something.

"In the United States, the first important industrial corporation seems to have been the Boston Manufacturing Co., which was founded in 1813.

Experimental in nature and spaced out in time, these early ventures grew mostly independent of one another (the article mentioned older companies from around the world that I left out) But they had one thing in common: even as for-profit ventures, they were explicitly required to serve the common good.

For the first companies, the privilege of incorporation, often via royal charter, was granted selectively to facilitate activities that contributed to the population’s welfare, such as the construction of roads, canals, hospitals and schools. Allowing shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. Companies were deeply interwoven within the country’s or town’s social fabric, and were meant to contribute to its collective prosperity"

Source (I know, it's not a source I'd use for a college paper): https://qz.com/work/1188731/the-idea-that-companies-should-benefit-society-is-as-old-as-capitalism

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[-] witty_username@feddit.nl 10 points 4 months ago

Thanks Todd

[-] MidRomney@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Activision has fucked Warzone 3 so badly, and it's actually so incredibly improved from what it was during the disaster that was WZ2 but still a far cry from the peak that was WZ1.

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ice is cold

[-] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

“Even when you believe you’ve found yourself the right job, it can evaporate in an instant, and then you are suddenly competing against hundreds or thousands of people for every job position,” Kai said.

[-] AceQuorthon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago

Well that aint news

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