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[-] veeesix@lemmy.ca 137 points 6 months ago

as reported in Vietnam.net, it's possible Steam has been taken down in Vietnam after local game developers complained about the scope and size of Steam's vast portfolio of games, claiming Vietnamese devs cannot compete with Steam's releases given they are subject to government approval and thousands of international games on Steam are not.

Citing it as "an injustice to domestic publishers", Vietnamese studios reportedly say that local game development "will die" if Steam is able to keep releasing games without the same government scrutiny as domestic games.

[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 158 points 6 months ago

Makes sense in regards to their law, but holy hell are their laws stupid

[-] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago

As a vietnamese American, my mom always told me stories about the shitty government. Most citizens in Vietnam know the laws are dumb too but can't protest because the government is too strong now. Just know that EVERYTHING is regulated over there.

[-] Woozythebear@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago

You can thank America for that

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

America literally fought a war to try and prevent that. The majority of the population of Vietnam fought to have this instead.

[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

One has to wonder what they would have had if it had gone the other way... would they look more like the Philippines, perhaps, or Indonesia? A "strong man" in Saigon with CIA backing on steroids. Because a whole other kind of just as shitty is still just as shitty.

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[-] Woozythebear@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

You have your history wrong

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Remind me again which side won and took over the country and which side fled.

[-] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's what Americans claim to save face. I'm a Vietnamese American and Asian history tends to suck in other nations. America used that narrative to justify invading another country and then dipping out when it was too hard.

I'm still going to overgeneralize, but here's the actual history they don't teach you. (History is much more interesting outside of school).

From the Vietnamese perspective, they initially didn't want/need American help, but about HALF of Vietnam didn't want communism. Similar to Korea, it was kinda like North vs South. America knew that Vietnam has potential to be another booming nation so they saw an opportunity to "help" Vietnam for profit and claim they're fighting communism in the process. America doesn't just "help" for the sake of good, we're a nation of profit and greed.

During this war, South Korea's involvement and then eventual American alliance actually helped South Korea flourish from all this new money they were getting. When Nixon saw that Vietnam was a losing war, he pussied out and ended up moving on to help Korea since that was the next "profitable" nation; even helping in "fighting communism" during the Korean War. Vietnam took a huge L after Nixon pumped and pulled resources so he partially caused the loss, too. Looking back now, America made the "right" call on South Korea as it's now both rich AND has good US relations.

Most of the Vietnamese population today prefers a less communistic government but not much can be done. Government is just stupid powerful BECAUSE of communism in the first place. Like some long domino effect.

TL:Dr America is a sneaky country and does things that only benefit them. They couldn't benefit from Vietnam so they moved onto Korea in "I'm done playing with you" style.

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[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 105 points 6 months ago

Sounds like the problem here is the "government scrutiny" not steam.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago

Ooof. What a stupid take.

There are indie studios whose lives have been changed because they focus on the international market.

This small brain thinking will ensure they die.

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago

The local devs were not trying to get steam banned. Hell they wanted steam but wanted to play by the same rules and pointed out how strict their own laws and requirements were.

Vietnam govt said you're right, it's not fair and banned steam to make sure everyone plays by their rules rather than admit the rules were stupid and draconic.

[-] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 months ago

Careful what you wish for - you never know if it'll be granted by a Monkey's Paw

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[-] LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

go big red!

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 123 points 6 months ago

Governmental approval on games is an unbelievably dumb idea. Banning online game markets is not a solution; changing the laws is.

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[-] Anamana@feddit.de 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

F to all vietnamese brothers & sisters. I wonder if they also banned Epic and the others

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[-] rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Lemmy: "We hate capitalism! Companies aren't your friends! Down with corporrations! Down with billionaires!"

Also Lemmy: "Except Steam! We love vidyagames! Valve is friend! Gaben is bae! No, we don't understand irony."

[-] yokonzo@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

I mean, gabe has yet to do anything to piss me off yet. At this point I'm looking directly at the head of whatever organization.

Also this is a dumb take, if everyone had the same ideals on Lemmy then you would be part of this, you're seeing different posts by different people and conflating the two

[-] rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

Valve has faced criticisms from former employees in the past for its toxic work culture. And Gabe Newell, being the CEO, has a lot of power over that.

Just because the places you frequent on the internet don't shove criticism of Valve down your throat the same way it would do so for, say, Epic Games, doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with Valve as a company. All the pro-Valve/Steam information you get and the general sentiment towards Gabe Newell from people on Lemmy and Reddit are pure, undiluted corporate propaganda. That it comes from Steam users rather than being something Steam directs and pays for doesn't change what it is.

you’re seeing different posts by different people and conflating the two

This ignores the reality that Lemmy is, at least in the part of it consisting of lemmy.ml, lemmy.world, and others, overwhelmingly leftist. This comment also attempts to dismiss the underlying criticism that Lemmy as a whole has a culture that, much like reddit, seeks to pick and choose its targets under capitalism and actively engages in corporate apologia, like in this post, while collectively professing a broad ethos that is outright hypocritical when viewed in the light of that other behavior. And if you think Lemmy is amenable to a diverse array of economic opinions, then maybe you should try posting a "Capitalism Appreciation Thread" on a major lemmy instance and see how that goes over.

[-] yokonzo@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

If you're admitting that part of or the majority of Lemmy is leftist. (Which, who cares) Then say that. don't post Lemmy: also lemmy:, (meaning everyone) and try to backtrack after the fact.

Say what you mean. Mean what you say.

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[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 months ago

if you love capitalism so much, how many means of production do you own?

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[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 months ago

Ah Of course. It is impossible to criticize any actions taking place by any entity against a capitalist entity without defending capitalism yourself. Cehckmate liberals.

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[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is only possible because Steam is (1) anti-libre software plus (2) service as a software substitute.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago

Based.

I hated steam when it started. I've grown to realize it's much better than any alternative. But I still miss the pre-steam days.

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I was furious that I had to download steam and install steam to play new vegas on pc at launch (as well as the box I bought from gamestop not having a the game inside but rather just a pamphlet with a cd key) I was later infuriated by New Vegas at launch and the utterly broken state of the game with each week a new but preventing progress or outright crashing game.

But now days I'm reasonable happy with (Steam) it, it's not a perfect a solution but at least tries to uphold the gamer/consumer experience, unlike shotboxes like origin or epic games which were nonstop ads and snooping through your files outside the directory.

[-] Parabola@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago

Damn commies, refusing to allow people to install DRM-ridden proprietary spyware from in the US. They just hate our fr$$dom! 👺

[-] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 15 points 5 months ago

Do you have proof of the Spyware claims? Those are serious accusations!

It’s a troll don’t feed them.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago

I don't think that is reasoning for banning steam, especially considering that many games on steam aren't DRMd at all.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

Good for them. Interested in what vietnamese indie devs produce in the coming years

[-] LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

God damn I just bought a whole data center in Vietnam to VPN to for gaming specifically

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