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[-] deranger@lemmy.world 138 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The amount of niche info that would have been found in searchable forum posts in years prior, that has now gotten sucked up into Discord where it can’t be found, fucking blows.

[-] Carnelian@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

Absolute tragedy tbh, discord won’t be around forever. I weep for all the game knowledge that will be lost

[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Well, forums are not real time, and that's what most people these days want apparently.

So, on to the alternatives:

Element / Matrix:

  • Lackluster moderation tools
  • Voice channels not ready
  • Signing up is hard / federation not well explained

Revolt Chat

  • Run by very talented kiddies
  • Not stable
  • Not easily self-hostable
[-] berber@lemmy.chaos.berlin 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

well, the problem is not that forums are not real time. the problem is that people use real time chats for things that should't be done in real time. like guides, which should stand on their own as an organized post, easily searched and found.

"real time" chats, that is, instant messengers, have their time and place. they have been around for a while, but they never really replaced forums. until discord came, which kind of then did. which i guess also resulted from facebook groups, twitter, instagram, and reddit first kind of partially replacing forums, after which then forums really fell out of favor, and discord really is way easier and better to interact with than any of the others mentioned (aside from maybe reddit). people are also just lazy and jusy use whatever works.

and people then started using discord like a forum since forums are almost dead and discord is just simple and easy. so many guides, info, announcements, etc. are put in discord like it is a forum since the admittedly amazing features for roles and bots make it convenient.

it all gets lost in a sea instant messaging organizing. to find something, one must go to one of a a bunch pinned messages in one of the bajillion channels that links to a post (i say oost, it is actually a message) which in turn links to a series of messages where someone knowledgeable posted something useful intertwined with shitpost messages fromither people. if you are lucky, someone made a google doc for a guide, but those also suck, and they are also not easily found unless you know the guy who knows the guy who knows which pinned message in which channel has the link to it.

[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You can't change how people want to communicate. So you either open a channel for people that won't sign up to a forum or don't get those users. Is it the best type of medium? Doesn't matter for them. It matters to other types of users.

I prefer Forums, but I'm not the type of user we are talking about.

Edit: I don't get why the downvotes, we are having a respectful conversation, if you downvote because you disagree, you are upvoting an echo chamber.

[-] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 5 months ago

Well, forums are not real time, and that’s what most people these days want apparently.

I think people use discord where it's a bad fit not because it's what most people want, but because it's what's familiar, free, and already in front of them.

[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

If I understand correctly, you are proving my point by saying people chose Discord over others, and then you list their reasons.

[-] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No, I am disputing your claim: "forums are not real time, and that’s what most people these days want apparently."

Obviously, a lot of people use Discord, but I think you're mistaken about their motivations. They didn't choose it because they think forums are inferior to real-time chat. We can see that by the massive popularity of Reddit over Discord's lifetime. Rather, they chose Discord because it's what was offered (along with heavy marketing), and because it was convenient (especially for community creators).

[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Pardon me if I expressed myself incorrectly, what I meant is that they prefer real time chat (for whatever reason) over any alternatives.

[-] DoingFedTime@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 5 months ago

Forums are the best? I still can get info from electronics forums from 20y ago and it's well organized.

I don't see any other alternatives, revolt chat is new and just a discord alternative that sucks as well while element is fricking bad at indexing stuff, you can't search anything there not to mention their bad encryption.

[-] Ithral 1 points 5 months ago

What's wrong with their encryption?

[-] bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

Don't worry, I've got a copy and I'll host it all on my Discord!

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 83 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

relying on discord for all your comms

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I stopped using Discord a long time ago because the apps on every platforms are unapologetically bloated piles of garbage.

Protip: If your phone gets hot just because an app is open, delete that app.

[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 months ago

May I ask what you’re using to replace Discord?

[-] dm_me_your_boobs@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago
[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 months ago
[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

msn messenger!

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

[-] krash@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

Matrix, xmpp, IRC or even rocketchat are better alternatives.

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 20 points 5 months ago

And this lack of transparency is a great example of why I avoid Discourse.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

I avoid Discourse

Discord. Discourse is open source forum software: https://www.discourse.org/

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 3 points 5 months ago

Well, that's a new one. I'm sure that I typed Discord, but evidently I failed. Thank you for pointing that out. I could blame auto correct, but even that is hard to check, since my keyboard recommended next word follows an evolution that I'm unable to grok.

As an aside, thanks for the link, I hadn't heard of the discourse forum software.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Fun fact: Suyu wouldn't have their current problems if communication happened on self-hosted Discourse instead of 3rd party Discord.

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 months ago

Similar to how GitLab can be selfhosted; Spacebarchat could be a good alternative; but at that point why not just do forums?

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Like vinyl and Polaroid cameras, I want bulletin boards to make a comeback.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago
[-] kingcake@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Kinda telling that the project uses Matrix chat.

[-] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 8 points 5 months ago

Why discord gets involved is stupid. This is why you self-host these things.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Both Suyu and Sudachi began as forks of Yuzu, the emulator that Nintendo sued out of existence on March 4th.

Developers of Yuzu’s forks also claimed they were changing the code further, among other practices, in an effort to avoid pissing Nintendo off.

But it’s possible that people were sharing Nintendo’s cryptographic keys, firmware, or even entire pirated games in these servers despite those commitments.

Even if Suyu and Sudachi were infringing, Discord’s policy does not suggest it would permaban, much less nuke entire servers, on the first offense.

Discord did not answer questions about whether these users were repeat copyright infringers, had received any previous warnings, or were forwarded any takedown requests.

Nintendo isn’t just targeting Switch emulators with its latest round of takedowns but also some of the tools that aid them: it sent DMCA takedown requests to GitHub to remove 27 forks of the Sigpatch Updater, as well as Lockpick_RCM, kezplez-nx, and Incognito_RCM, which help Switch owners and developers obtain encryption keys.


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