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The New York Times tried to block the Internet Archive: another reason to value the latter (walledculture.org)

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[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago

This is useful for pointing out if a news site is manipulating a narrative, but for other things, I think news site should get the privacy they need to make stealth edits.

Like:

More recently, the Times stealth-edited an article that originally listed “death” as one of six ways “you can still cancel your federal student loan debt.” Following the edit, the “death” section title was changed to a more opaque heading of “debt won’t carry on.”

This was just poor wording. No reason sites shouldn't have the peace of mind to change poor wording without being called out.

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 139 points 2 years ago

...... What? No, if you need to edit poor wording you add a note establishing that the editor missed a section of poor wording, and that section has been revised.

You want to do stealth edits? We call those first drafts, and they arent published. Want to hide your edit history? Edit before you post.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

People can make mistakes and miss things you know.

[-] nooneescapesthelaw@lemmy.ml 114 points 2 years ago

And there is nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything wrong in admitting your mistakes

[-] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

Never have I ever seen a more poignant response.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Nothing wrong with admitting your mistakes, but also seems to me that you should be able to fix them without publicly announcing it.

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 79 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not in the news world. Corrections need to be made so people don’t go around spewing nonsense.

EDIT: And those corrections need to be bold and assert themselves. You can’t simply change your words and expect people to find the corrections themselves. That is too much work for the reader, and stating corrections is VERY easy for the publisher.

[-] LudwigvanBeethoven@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago

This. My national news agency publishes corrections like in ye olden days with ye olde telex: separate issue

example would be:

CORRECTION - President denounces war in Israel

BULLETIN - President denounces war in Isral

listed separately, added in their own archives etc.

[-] GeekFTW@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago

also seems to me that you should be able to fix them without publicly announcing it.

You would seem to be wrong then lol. News has standards higher than Uncle Joe's Truckin' Blog™ or someone's Aunt's Facebook post.

[-] Beaphe@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

There is no whiteout.

You will strike thru the error using a single line, leaving the error legible. Then amend the document with the valid information and initial the change as authorized.

You then submit the new draft, with visible corrections, to be published.

[-] MrShankles@reddthat.com 11 points 2 years ago

That's exactly how they taught us in nursing school. If you try and hide the mistake by "scratching" it out, it's assumed that you're hiding something. A single strike thru with an initial; owning your mistake. Mistakes are expected, and so is being honest about it. Makes you think twice before writing anything half-assed

Granted, most of us don't do paper-charting anymore; but the EMR still tracks any addendum. Don't go writing bullshit that you're unable to explain

[-] themelm@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Same with engineering type courses too. And all my science labs. And any contracts job forms etc. I'm constantly trying to get apprentices to break the habit of scratching things out. We dont destroy information. What if you were wrong about being wrong? And write units for things and not just numbers dammit.