cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/44734680
Experts have expressed fears that the Chinese government plans to increase the forced “harvesting” of human organs from people in Xinjiang, home to a large Turkic Muslim population.
The concerns follow the announcement by the Xinjiang Health Commission late last year that it was going to develop six new organ transplant institutions in the region in the period to 2030, among other measures aimed at expanding transplant services.
Xinjiang is a large area in northwest China where the Beijing government has been operating a campaign of oppression against the indigenous population of Uyghur and other Turkic people since 2014.
The United Nations has said the campaign, which includes a vast network of camps, involves serious human rights violations that may amount to crimes against humanity. “The announcement raises concerns about the ongoing procurement of organs through human rights abuses in Xinjiang, because there is no obvious reason why the new facilities are needed,” said Wendy Rogers, professor of clinical ethics at Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia.
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Enver Tohti [a former surgeon in Xinjiang who now lives in London] said he believes the Chinese authorities are expanding their organ transplant facilities throughout China, and not just in Xinjiang. “Xinjiang is just part of a wider picture,” he said.
He believes the Chinese authorities began to collect biological data from people in Xinjiang in 2016 with a view to building a database that could be searched for matches when organs were needed for transplant operations. “People in inner China just disappear,” he said.
“Maybe they are accused of a crime and sent to prison. In Xinjiang, they simply take the person – say they are a terrorist.” In China, “if you are declared an enemy of the state, then an enemy is not a human being.”
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Recently, at a military parade in Beijing, the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, was caught on mic discussing organ transplants with his counterpart from Russia, Vladimir Putin.
“Biotechnology is continuously developing,” Putin’s interpreter was recorded saying in Chinese to Xi. “Human organs can be continuously transplanted. The longer you live, the younger you become, and [you can] even achieve immortality.”
Xi could be heard responding in Chinese: “Some predict that in this century humans may live to 150 years old.”
Tohti said: “They are talking about organ harvesting. Organ transplanting in China is organ harvesting. They are not taking organs from volunteers. Every organ transplant is part of harvesting.”
In December 2014, Chinese State media reported that China was to stop using organs from executed prisoners in transplant operations. However, Tohti said such statements are just optics. “The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) never keeps its promises. They make laws to show to outsiders. They make a constitution to show to outsiders. Inside the country, it is completely different.”
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the claims made in this article are outlandish, the author does not cite any sources, he's just assuming.
While there are substantial claims that organs may be harvested from deceased prisoners without consent, the claims in this article are really out there.
I love to be proven wrong btw.
EDIT: Pressed the wrong button and accidentally deleted this comment. Fortunately, Lemmy let's you "undelete".
Also, the unsurprising "whataboutism" from CCP apologists notwithstanding, it's important for other folks to see that, despite "the west" being the techno-feudalist monsters they are, the CCP, the Iranian theocracy, the DPRK, and Putin's russian imperial revivalist government are not the "noble opposition" that the perpetually butt-hurt temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting will make them out to be. Anyone who says "I'm/We're in charge forever," should be ridiculed and held in the utmost contempt for being the asshole bullies they are.
Here are the sources from the author (and I suspect this won't convince you; it's clear your mind is already made up):
This excerpt on Tiananmen Square tells one exactly why the CCP are authoritarians who should never be trusted:
Everyone (at least in the West) seems to know about tank man, but there's another story that's not as widely known and I never understood why. It shines a whole new light on this and explains why the Chinese government is so heavy handed when it comes to this subject. It was more than just another autocratic crackdown on protestors, which, while terrible, are par for the course.
A good chunk of military units sent in to squash the protestors refused to carry out their orders, refused to brutalize and kill their countrymen. Some actively joined in on the protests, then units sent in to put a stop it joined in as well. This terrified the Chinese leadership so they sent in the 27th army group, largely comprised of illiterate peasant farmers with no connection to Beijing or its people, headed by a politically reliable officer. The 27th army group then proceeded to massacre everyone, not 'just' students and protestors, but their own comrades in arms, other PLA soldiers.
Read the British embassy report and tell me it doesn't completely change your perspective. The CCP wants everyone to think this was just another protest, no big deal. It wasn't, it was the time they almost lost control, and they know it. It's why they're so fearful.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/UK_cable_on_Tiananmen_Square_Massacre
edit: another user recommended a PBS documentary The Tank Man
Fuck the CCP.
i don't wanna sound like a dick: i read it all, it's still all from the same newspaper, the wiki link leads to nowhere and it's not connected to systemmatic organ harvesting.
it is describing mass surveillance in a region which was ravaged by islamic terrorism. but why is there no outrage about the same stuff happening in western countries on a larger scale? (palantir). mass surveillance is horrible, i agree. but it's all around us. if china does it tho they have to be singled out.
i'm not trying to do a whataboutism here but if a "good state" did this in a region with a high terror threat it'd be generally considered fine and necessary. (war on terror)
ok. there's a chinese police station in ireland, which is odd. but at the same time europeans have to make peace with US bases which do far more. but china is painted as absolute evil while we've been occupied, economically controlled and monitored by a foreign nation since ww2. (rammstein, patch barracks....)
another false equivalency. every superpower tends to fail in places, it is unfortunately inevitable and i hope technological progress will someday reduce the harm people inflict on others (it won't happen)
i can't say anything on the 1989 protests as the provided source is not working.
it's not like i made up my mind but the main point: "systemmatic organ harvesting by making unwanted people disappear on a mass scale" still sounds highly conspiratorial and you did not refute that, you just added more "china bad" into this exchange.