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I'd like to know a little more about the instance and/or admin team ethos - I'm guessing from the cyberpunk angle that anti-censorship and free speech is important to you(/us!) but where do you draw the line? Are we likely to find ourselves unfederated away from anything in particular? or is the onus on the user to block what they dont want to see? I guess this question is just as much legal and practical as it is moral or ethical - under which jurisdiction/laws is the server running? Does it have room to grow or are you keen to keep it smaller and more manageable?
I'm stoked to find fellow high-tech low-lives to explore all of this with, and I suspect we'll all have to feel this out as we go along, given the current speed of lemmy growth, but all the above worth an ask even if there's no immediate or easy answers! :)
I think this is the largest uncertainty with the federation in general. You don't want to end up on a locked out instance, or an instance that does not federate the content you want. As Ramses posted, Beehaw already defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. It's not a problem this community can solve on its own however.
Perhaps a disclaimer would be sufficient, even if it is just "we will defederate communities that do XYZ".
They (beehaw) were having issues with gore/porn trolls posting replies to legitimate comments. Regardless of your stance on free speech, I think everyone can agree that trolling is an issue.
You can't exactly open Lemmy at work during a quick break if you're expecting that stuff to show up in the middle of a productive discussion.
That won't stop the trolls, now they'll just create burners on beehaw itself. They are hurting innocents to do exactly nothing.
It won't stop them but it severely hinders them.
Beehaw's registration process takes time. Rather than spin up a bunch of accounts instantly and troll rapidly (causing massive admin/moderator overhead), they'll have to register direct with beehaw. This limits the number of accounts action has to be taken against.
Looking at it from an attackers perspective, is it worth it to wait 1+ days of going through a registration that requires the user submit answers to a questionnaire, just to troll users on beehaw? Probably not.
Until other instances defederate, your path of least resistance is to stay put. When that changes you'd reassess, and move elsewhere.
you'd create the burners en masse and then burn them one at a time.
I understand that. Beehaw has a questionnaire they require to be filled out as part of their application process.
You can filter verbatim responses (if 100 accounts have the exact same responses, they're probably not legit) and do other things to help cut down on bot accounts being used for trolling. This is why I said it's a severe hindrance, not a 100% perfect solution.
Additionally, they can just attach themselves to other instances anyways. It's impossible to stop them unless you make yourself an island and make it beyond hellish to sign up. Meanwhile you've affected the 99.9% of good people on that instance by cutting them off. It just doesn't make sense to me.
We're not gonna defederate just because we kinda don't like another community's theme.
Our goal as admins is to protect our users, so if another instance makes no effort whatsoever to follow our rules (read them here: https://obeythesystem.com/community-rules/, tl;dr: "don't be a dick") or has a spam problem, that's when we'll consider defederating.
That's what I assumed, just nice to clarify. It's a brave new world out there :)