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[-] RaoulDuke@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago
[-] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Yeah, we just have a ton of really similar words for not-quite the same thing.

Latin: with roots going back to Rome (Most Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Romanian people). But almost nobody uses this in the USA.

Latin American/Latino/Latina: with roots in South/Central America, the Caribbean, or Mexico (notably, this includes Brazil and Haiti)

Hispanic: with roots in Spanish-speaking countries (notably, this excludes Brazil and Haiti, and includes Spain)

Ariana Grande could reasonably be called Latin, but not Latina. She just tans well so she plays the "racially ambiguous" card when it suits her.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 35 points 1 week ago

That's all ridiculous. You guys (the US) need to get past this race shit. She's a US citizen by birth and that's that.

For some reason none of you want to be just "Americans". You want to divide yourselves up into little tribes that link you back to some place you've never been.

If you yourself emigrated, sure...call yourself Italian-American. If it was your parents...you are American and your parents were Italian. If it was your grandparents, you're just American. Stop pretending.

It would also help your politics no end.

[-] EldritchFeminity 1 points 1 week ago

See, here's something that people outside of America don't understand: when people immigrated to the US, they usually formed their own communities centered around the culture and traditions of their original country. This happens in other countries as well, but since most countries are like 5% immigrants at most, you just don't see it unless you're directly interacting with those communities.

The often spouted "melting pot" claim about the US has never been true - we've always been divided on a million things. It's a micro-scale version of the countries of Europe - tiny timeframe, often tiny divides, but the same squabbles as there were between the former regions that now make up the countries of Europe. Invasions, racism, regional cultural differences, etc. They're all there. In that sense, the US can be seen like the EU with a single unified language in some ways. On one end, it's like the Scottish and Irish being British due to invasion and attempted genocide (the Nazis were inspired by how the US treated the indigenous people here, after all) and on the other it's like the people of Paris and the Loire Valley arguing about who is or isn't French. But you don't have to go much further to find that you're suddenly arguing about who's French and who's Belgian.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago

It's the fact that it's not a melting pot that I'm calling out. Americans need to see themselves as American first, and more importantly see each other as Americans first. All the time they separate themselves from each other, they're letting "race" matter. Stop clinging onto what your family moved away from, and embrace what they moved to.

Otherwise you'll just keep tearing at each other.

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