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edit: As I'm seeing a lot of worry about the impact this will/could have on the community, please be assured we have the same mod team, and will be holding the community to the same standards. the same things that were always allowed will continue to be allowed and the same things that got things removed before will continue to get things removed before. Lemmy.world admins have agreed to allow us to run our community on our terms. It is my pleasure to announce that effective immediately, we are transferring our community to Lemmy.world! This has been a few months in the making, so my entire mod team is already on board. FAQ: Why? That's a complicated question with a long answer! The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences between my team and Ada's excellent team of admins. We are on good terms with Ada and her team, and have gotten her consent to do this. In addition to this, we have had ongoing issues with federation and moderation that has caused a subpar experience for many people on other instances. How does this work? Currently, as there is not an easy way to transfer an entire community (trust me, we checked), we are locking the community as mod-only, and moving our focus to the 196 on lemmy.world. For you guys, functionally nothing has changed. What about the posts? Well, we tried to transfer them, but there was no real way to do so without absolutely destroying lemmy.world's federation. For this reason, we are simply archiving this community as mod-only. Everything is staying up, you just won't be able to post new content. Comments are still enabled, so we will continue to check our modlogs for some time after the transfer has settled. As for the posts on lemmy.world's 196, we're leaving those up too. From this point onwards, all posts made to that community are beholden to the rules you are all used to, but anything pre-existing is getting grandfathered in.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE PUT THEM IN THE COMMENTS OF THIS POST, AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM. Once again, here's the link to our new apartment of awesome. (universal: !196@lemmy.world)
Maybe because of the whole "respect all user-specified-pronouns no matter how ridiculous they are" instance rule that was added a few weeks ago?
To put this another way, does respecting "dragonfucker's" requested pronouns of "drag" and "drag" do more good or more harm for the community?
Pronouns are not negotiable. Considering that pronouns are "deserved" is an easy path to limit their use to other conditions.
Drag is known to be a troll, and should be banned for trolling when relevant. That doesn't have much to do with pronouns, those are two separate matters.
For clarity are you suggesting that some pronouns shouldn’t be respected based on the judgement of the mods?
Only a few hours in, and this kind of statements are coming in.
Is "drag" a pronoun? Either way, my personal stance doesn't have much bearing on the argument.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20091173
To quote Ada:
The added emphasis in bold is mine to make clear how easy it is to avoid this.
If someone uses it as one, yeah it is.
Your personal stance, being that you are a community team member of LW, has a lot to do with it. That’s who I’m asking, not you the person.
I don't have an official position on it. Am I allowed to participate here as a person?
You and LW are allowed to do whatever you want, you just shouldn’t be surprised when making borderline transphobic statements and refusing to clarify reflects badly on the instance.
Use an alt account?
That's a valid suggestion, and I've thought about it in the past, both for me and for other mods. The biggest downside is that using separate accounts would absolutely reduce responsiveness. I'll see notifications on my personal account much faster than I would if I were using alternate accounts.
For moderators, currently I think the ease and responsiveness of using one account outweighs the benefits of separating official and personal accounts. Though there is an argument.
It's up to personal preference, but I usually mod with an alt to avoid this kind of situations
You're a part of the community team of LW. Of course your stance have a bearing.
It's not uncommon for people to ask to be referred to as their name instead of a pronoun. This just seems like that type of request to me. You'll sometimes see "none" in forms requesting pronouns and this is something that would fall in that category
For clarity, I don't think we should be hostile and jump down each other's throats for expressing a slightly different opinion from each other.
Is expressing my opinion about something jumping down your throat? Which part do you feel I need to phrase more politely?
Like, legitimately, I’m not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings here. You also know from my other reply that I’m trans and my comment comes from that background. If I’m not allowed to even say that I found something borderline transphobic without it being too combative or whatever, then to me that’s not a great sign.
If using neopronouns didn't get a reaction out of people, they wouldn't do it.
Respecting all pronouns is the best way to deal with trolls.
No one wants to be a flasher in a nudist colony.
I'm still lecturing family on respecting she/her. Trying to sell neopronouns would undermine that effort.
Yeah, I think it makes it more difficult to achieve mainstream tolerance and acceptance. I respect those who think differently, but I do think neopronouns do harm to those who prefer she/her or he/him or they/them.
I’m a trans man and nobody has ever hurt me by using neopronouns. The people who have harassed and assaulted me almost certainly feel the same way about people with neopronouns as they do about me. People who use neopronouns are my siblings, and if someone needs me to throw them under the bus to respect me or my pronouns then frankly they are also part of the problem.
Tl;dr, there’s a reason that people you can’t get on board with using she/her don’t set the standard for what a real pronoun is.
I'm stealing this for the future
Please do! It's one of the best examples of how violating a taboo can be more traumatic than the thing itself because of what it represents.
We must always respect pronouns.
I make no argument either way. Not my monkeys, not my circus. All I know is that people were being banned just for pointing out why they didnt like the rule and it caused a lot of controversy.
Nah, we’re respecting neopronouns.
I never said they shouldn't. Just asking if that controversy could part of the reason for the move.
196 mods were working on doing this even before that, but that was actually not the first time that Ada had to make an announcement post about that exact policy. I saw it first come up in Blahaj Meta many months ago in the events that eventually led to me taking a mod position at LibertyHub