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I mean, just declare a republic ffs.

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[-] T156@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Because it's not a small thing to change. You're basically overhauling everything if you wish to transition from a monarchy to a republic, because it's rooted in everything.

The names of the governmental positions, and possibly their responsibilities would need to change, as would official documentation, the money, the flag, the national anthem...

You could hardly call yourself a republic if your passports are still carry the authority of the monarch, and your national anthem prominently features the King.

It only gets more complicated if you're a former colonial power, since they may also be affected, and have to change everything as well. If the UK decides to ditch the Monarchy and become a Republic, Australia and Canada would need to follow suit, since it would be silly for them to have references to a monarch that no longer exists, or a GG who's meant to be representative for a position that no longer exists.

Either that, or there will be a political/legal headache deciding whether they become the new inheritors of the monarchy, since the parent is gone, or would they be also need to make the same changes (see above).

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Pity they can’t just put a page in the book that says “from here forward we do things this new way” and just keep moving. But that’s not how legal and governmental systems work.

[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Monarchs are like cardboard boxes. Someday they'll be useful again, you just know it.

Instructions unclear, accidentally placed a cat on top of King Charles III

[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

See? I knew we'd find a use for him.

[-] jam12705@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

My wife uses them to keep weeds from growing in the garden...boxes that is. Perhaps we could utilize the king in a similar fashion?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 8 points 6 days ago

These comments are proof that Robespierre didn't go far enough.

[-] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Keeps the conservatives somewhat placated.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 65 points 1 week ago

It's like your country is wearing a fancy hat. The hat is not practical, it doesn't help you do things, but boy does it look neat. It's not all that expensive, so why not? Lots of countries have big monuments, historic buildings for their legislatures to be in and so forth, this is just that in human form.

[-] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

It’s not all that expensive, so why not? Lots of countries have big monuments, historic buildings for their legislatures to be in and so forth, this is just that in human form.

Are we sure they're not all that expensive, comparatively speaking to the monuments and historic buildings and the like?

[-] Goltbrook@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Besides what was already said, I'd like to add that with only a few exceptions (most notably Japan and to a lesser degree the Netherlands, I believe) most constitutional monarchs even pay taxes on their private income.

They usually receive some kind of stipend/grant as a sovereign which is not taxed. But what they gain from "extracurricular" activities is fair game.

And I think it is worth keeping in mind that a lot of the trappings and estate of a monarch would have to be upkept as part of the cultural heritage and national prestige anyway.

So between paying for a museum/cultural heritage site and letting someone who is essentially a paid actor who got the job through their parents live in there, why not.

And you can never underestimate the soft power a well-liked sovereign can have as a symbol and tool of population control. If the personification of your state talks to the people, many listen.

In international relationships, a monarch can be a soft diplomat and fulfill the role of someone who is at a special remove even from other statesmen and can do and say certain things in certain ways.

[-] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

It's really not that expensive in comparison, especially when you count the tourism factor which is absolutely significant.

Go to London, or Copenhagen, or Stockholm, and see the Changing of the Guards. Do that on any random Tuesday - and notice the crowds of people that watch.

And, as has been said already, at least in Scandinavia the monarchs have high cultural value and are very well liked, on top of having important roles in keeping government going. They aren't freeloaders, and there isn't a huge upper class attached.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah? They generally have plenty of money of their own, the government just pays for a bit of pageantry now and then.

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

Think of them as prestigious diplomats.

Sounds way better when you say "I had a meeting with the king of The Netherlands recently" compares to "I had a meeting with the High Commissioner of The Netherlands recently "

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[-] MudMan@fedia.io 23 points 1 week ago

Because conservatives would go to the culture war trenches over it and it's a cheap, simple concession that literally does not matter.

You give them a royal family as a chew toy and ideally pass non-reactionary, non-anachronistic stuff elsewhere.

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 15 points 1 week ago

it’s a cheap, simple concession

Depends. AFAIK the English monarchy is fairly expensive.

[-] Knuschberkeks@leminal.space 9 points 1 week ago

it's difficult to calculate, but if you factor in the amount of tourism money the british monarchy generates it's probably a net profit.

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 23 points 1 week ago

Still not convinced that the tourists wouldn't come anymore if you depower the monarchs and keep the palaces etc. as state-owned tourist attractions, TBH.

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Didn't you hear all of the old palaces on France have had zero visitors since they packed away the guillotines

Just in case it's. Ot obvious /s

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[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 18 points 1 week ago

Most constitutional monarchies got that way due to incremental change generally caused by political crises. Switching from a monarchy to a republic usually done as a response to one of these crises; no crisis usually means the monarch keeps the crown.

You also have an issue of what to replace the monarch with. Most constitutional monarchies have parliamentary systems of government where the legislature has supremacy. However, you still need a supreme executive to run a government when the legislature fails. The process of picking that person is very politically important and had inherent risks to it. For some countries, keeping the monarch as the on/off switch is easier than dealing with the headache of choosing a President.

[-] mastertigurius@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

A lot of good points here about pros and cons when considering republic vs constitutional monarchy. I was myself against the idea of monarchy for quite a while, but I realize it's mostly because I was living in the UK at the time and was exposed to how normal people are treated compared to the upper class. In addition, though the British royal family doesn't have any power on paper, they have vast connections in all parts of the government and private sector with many ways to influence things. Also, the UK was until recently a two party state, which meant almost total power to whichever party won the election.

Scandinavia doesn't have as much of a disparity between social classes (even counting royals), and what I see here is that the monarchy provides a stability and continuity that we wouldn't get with a republic. Anyone can lie, cheat and bribe their way to getting elected president, but when you have a dozen different parties with different policies passing laws with a monarch as an anchor, it works out pretty well.

[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago

They still have power. The king has regular meeting with the prime minister and they own an awful amount of property which also translates to power

[-] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

That's less of a "monarchy" power, more of a "rich people can bribe politicians" power

[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

Not wrong but they are rich because they are part of the monarchy and they are very rich. And the meeting between king and Prime Minister is a scheduled thing in the UK

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[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago

The point of a constitutional monarchy is to transition away from an absolute monarchy towards a republic.

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[-] mastertigurius@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

The King of Norway has a mostly symbolic role in day-to-day affairs. New laws that have been passed by the Storting (Parliament) will have their final approval signed by the King, but this is largely a token approval. The King does have veto power over any given amendment, but if he invokes it, Parliament has the right to vote the same amendment through a second time, at which point it cannot be vetoed. He is the head of the Church of Norway, and also supreme commander of our armed forces. Though command is delegated to other commanders, the King would have a more direct role in questions regarding central command or wartime. When representing our country abroad, he is very much considered a personification of the nation, rather than a representative of the ruling party. Norway's main reason for maintaining our own monarchy stems very much from declaring independence from Denmark and Sweden, which ruled us for about 500 years.

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[-] dwindling7373@feddit.it 10 points 1 week ago

Damn out of 90 comments I read only a couple that made any sense.

It's because it's a complex legal transition to g othrough, because laws are a dumb series of words that's usually tied to the whateverness the highest for of power is.

It's still objectively odious to grant birth based rights or role to certain people over others.

The only practical positive I can see is that it's such a dumb system that it can be fromally abused to enforce a certain degree of stability when the proper democratic process go and fuck itself, but 1) there's other ways 2) at that point the crown storically sides with the degenerates (becaue power by birthrights is a degenerate concept after all).

[-] SaltSong@startrek.website 10 points 1 week ago

A constitutional monarch may have a wide range of powers, depending on the constitution. It doesn't automatically mean "powerless figurehead."

Given the way the US has been recently, I'm willing to admit that there may be some benefit to having a leader in some position of power that had been there a long time, and has, more or less, been training for the responsibly since birth.

Of course, there are plenty of arguments against such a leader, but the least of which is how much you have to stretch the word "training" to make it fit that sentence above.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Italy was a constitutional monarchy under fascist rule. Victor Emmanuel III was famously told by his generals that they could stop the March on Rome and chose not to because he thought Mussolini would bring him more personal power and conquests for Italy.

Tl;Dr (all of history) your second paragraph is something only ignorant bootlickers say, so maybe don't yield rhetorical ground that you don't need to

[-] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 points 6 days ago

Italy was a constitutional monarchy under fascist rule.

And the US is, theoretically, a democracy, and if we aren't under fascist rule, we will be soon enough. Fascism can spring from any form of government.

your second paragraph is something only ignorant bootlickers say

So you feel that Obama-Trump-Biden-Trump was as stable as any government needs too be? No improvement to be made there?

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[-] zxqwas@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

In my country they have enough support from both the left and right leaning voters. Also a vast majority of voters think there are more important issues to deal with.

Some parties (we have 8 with >4% votes) have an ideological position that we should abolish momarchy. No party is actively campaigning for it, because it's seen as unimportant.

[-] myrmidex@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In my country we have 2 kings, one of whom complains he does not get enough money to fuel his yacht. No joke.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago

I mean think of it this way: If your monarch isn't a dick and removing them would piss off the reactionaries and average people who don't care much about politics, why would you do that? They also help curb strongman autocrats by providing a target for the population to worship (therefore occupying that niche for a certain section of the population) but not give any real power to.

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

It’s like when you get inoculated with a weakened form of a live virus so you can build up an immunity to more virulent forms.

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