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wait I'm confused how is the top middle picture anti-homeless architecture
Homeless people sleep on the vents for warmth.
The vents are still accessible though? And you have these nifty mannequins to hang your stuff?
Edit: honest question, possibly unnecessary joke.
You can't put a tent or sprawl out on them anymore.
Let them eat cake. Try sleeping on them and report back to us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_architecture
I feel like we're talking past each other. I'm wondering how the weird human-shaped things added on top of the vents constitute hostile architecture - how are they meant to to discourage people from sleeping there? This is me trying to learn, I'm very aware that sleeping on vents isn't exactly comfortable but how do these things make it less so?
I see what you're digging at, I was confused by them too. Hostile architecture meets just plain terrible design?
Right? It looks like there was an attempt (gold star) at hostility but they still wanted it to look somewhat aesthetically pleasing and mostly forgot about the hostile part? Or maybe I'm just not seeing most of the hostile part, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Nah I think you got it. Veiling art as hostile architecture is fairly common so I think the artist lead took over and they forgot the intent of ruining someone's ability to sleep haha
You'd probably have to lie between them instead of just looking at a photo, to assess if it's still possible.
Clearly they were put there with the intention of making it difficult/uncomfortable to lie down on the subway vent. If they were installed incompetently that doesn't make them unhostile though, it just makes them ineffective for their obviously intended purpose.
how do these things make it less [comfortable]?
You already answered your own question:
weird human-shaped things added on top of the vents
It’s hard to believe you’re not trolling.
https://www.azuremagazine.com/article/unpleasant-design-hostile-architecture/
I also came across some inventive designs that I haven’t seen elsewhere, such as metal silhouettes soldered on top of warm ventilation exhausts at a CTrain station (below), a place where you could consider camping for the night.
Metal silhouettes prevent homeless people from sleeping over these CTrain grates in Calgary.
I really doubt they're trolling, it's a real question. A person can clearly fit between the gaps and sleep.
It would block things like tents and mattresses, but it's reasonable [edit: even if ignorant] to ask how it works if it doesn't obstruct a sleeping person. For what it's worth, in my city, it's rare to see tents or even mattresses, usually just blankets and shopping carts.
Try sleeping on them and report back to us.
No need for that kind of talk, it's as pointless as saying "Go there and prove you can't sleep on them".
It’s hard to believe you’re not trolling.
I swear I'm not. It's entirely possible that I'm being slow, but I'm really just trying to understand so I can identify these things better in the future. Because I seriously don't get it, there's still plenty of room to lie down between them?
I think you’re confusing real life homelessness with a cartoon of a drunk who lies down to sleep it off for the night.
I assume what you're implying is that you can't put a tent there. Okay, why not fucking say that then? Homeless people around here rarely use tents, for reasons that I do not know because I am privileged enough to not be homeless, and they could probably just arrange their stuff around those shapes, put their mattress between them and go to sleep - which is why "tent" isn't the first thing that popped into my head.
Thank you for making me jump through hoops to understand a thing.
That guy is tripping.your questions are along the same as the ones I have. A lot of unhoused people I have seen don't have tents either.
Even so, you could drape a blanket over 3 of them and you've got yourself a free tent, so your question still stands. The dude's just an asshole
I have seen a lot of homeless in downtown Toronto who have a cart or backpack of belongings, and sleep directly on the subway vents with no tent. I get what the other guy is asking, I also don’t see how these metal silhouettes are going to stop someone sleeping on that grate.
One of the examples of hostile architecture in the OP is bars on a park bench. Is that to prevent pitching a tent too?
Part of the hostile architecture is the hostility you receive by asking about how it is hostile.
I immediately wondered the same thing so, it's not you. The angry replies are because some people are just always looking for something/someone to be mad at.
They look human like, maybe they are meant to cast a shadow or something to make people uncomfortable like somebody is watching?
There’s a literal glowie downvoting every socialist thing 😂
You dropped this sir
Have you considered that, as an admin, I have access to information about votes and user accounts that you don’t?
then why has china got so many homeless people?
It doesn't, I have no idea where you're getting that from. China eliminated urban poverty over a decade ago (~2013), and rural poverty is nearly eliminated. Source.
Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty. At China’s current national poverty line, the number of poor fell by 770 million over the same period.
Another anti-China western source because we know white supremacists wouldn't accept any Chinese source about their poverty alleviation campaigns.
What is "so many"? Compared to whom?
huh?
However, the people of China can afford to buy these extremely expensive properties. In fact, 90% of families in the country own their home, giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans.
Nice, but not related. See that comment
maybe you should read the reply to that comment
Don't worry I get notificatons
If China is socialist then Lipton is tea.
Look into the country on the shallowest level. They have socialist programs but, honestly...
China is socialist. Socialist countries can have market economies and even capitalist economies, as long as the dictatorship of the proletariat ultimately controls all of the economy. Just a reminder China's killed multiple billionaires.
Not actually democratic, thus not socialist.
seems like people who actually live in China disagree with you champ
- https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
- https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2021/0218/Vilified-abroad-popular-at-home-China-s-Communist-Party-at-100
- https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/which-nations-are-democracies-some-citizens-might-disagree
- https://web.archive.org/web/20230511041927/https://6389062.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/6389062/Canva%20images/Democracy%20Perception%20Index%202023.pdf
- https://www.tbsnews.net/world/china-more-democratic-america-say-people-98686
- https://web.archive.org/web/20201229132410/https://en.news-front.info/2020/06/27/studies-have-shown-that-china-is-more-democratic-than-the-united-states-russia-is-nearby-and-ukraine-is-at-the-bottom/
Most Americans think that too
They don't as the links I provided clearly show. Maybe actually look at the sources before replying.
That's a gish gallop, and the core premise that people believing it's democratic makes it so is incorrect.
~Edit: added link~
The very first article yogthos showed you, had a poll that showed half of usonians don't think their country is a democracy (they're right)
The US congress, its highest governing body, hasn't gotten over a 20% approval rating for many years.
You're deliberately avoiding the core premise that people thinking it's democratic means it's democratic.
Okay then, here are some articles showing how china's people's democracy works, and why they intentionally avoid the capitalist dictatorship model common in western countries.
Is China a Democracy?
- Is China a democracy?
- Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
- What kind of democracy does China have, and how is it different from the west?
- In contrast to low US political approval ratings, 96% of Chinese are satisfied with the national government (Edelmans 2016). World Values Surveys says that 83% think the country is run for their benefit rather than for the benefit of special groups. A Harvard research center study of long-term public opinion survey finds that > 95% of Chinese citizens approved their government. How is this possible in a one-party state? (TED talk by Eric X Li)
- How does China’s political system work?
- How are Chinese leaders elected / chosen? How meristocratic is the system? How do elections differ from those in western bourgeois democracies?
- Who runs China? Makeup of the national people's congress.
- US policy-makers are misjudging popular support China's Government.
- The american dream is alive... in China.
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Good talk
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