Colorful icons were amazing. That's literally why the iMac sold so well. Colorful. Prove me wrong.
It's nice and easy on the eyes. I conjecture that glossy and matte (as seen here) styles of skeuomorphism gave way to more abstract design since:
- Skeuomorphism is hard to get just right without being excessive and tacky
- Saturated, simple blocks of color pop out more, particularly on the increasingly prevalent mobile UI
- And thus also have better shelf appeal
If it were up to me, the red line would be when buttons and interactive elements are indistinguishable from text. The stock Android settings is probably among the worst offenders in this regard.
What I really miss is light mode that isn't hated for blinding users and dark mode that doesn't plunge the user into the void. Those "toolbars" look lovely, perfect for any lighting condition or time of day. I've yet to understand why, at present, designers insist on pure white everywhere when it comes to light mode. Maybe everyone is using the night light filter so it doesn't matter? At least pure black dark mode makes sense for power efficiency on OLEDs.
i don't, not at all, but still think elementaryOS looks beautiful! Like holy hell, even on their websites they manage to make their design look good!
I miss UIs having lines and clear separations between elements. I loath this new flat style that everything has to have now, where you can't tell when one thing stops and another starts.
And you can't tell when something is active/focused or not because every goddamn app and web site wants to use its own "design language". Wish I had a dollar for every time I saw two options, one light-gray and one dark-gray, with no way to know whether dark or light was supposed to mean "active".
I miss old-school Mac OS when consistency was king. But even Mac OS abandoned consistency about 25 years ago. I'd say the introduction of "brushed metal" was the beginning of the end, and IIRC that was late 90s. I am old and grumpy.
I tried to do a couple of icon sets that went with that trend for KDE. At one point I was involved with the KDE VDG and was about to set the style of the icons they'd use.
But apparently some suit told them they needed to go completely flat as they needed to plaster Firefox/distros/whatever logos on it, so everything needed to look consistent.
So in the end I got bored about it and stepped away. I'm trying to redo a new square-shaped-skeumorphed icon set but it's so much work - like it'd need to be your daily job to pull it off.
However, if you take a look at it, it's already in this one - some of them are just the base shape with some logo plastered on it (like the whatsapp one, or the one with the butterfly) and voilá, there's your icon.
So icon sets are incredibly hard, and if you want a skeumorphism icon set its hard squared. That's another of the reasons flat icons thrive today.
Sometimes I think that I miss skeuomorphism, but then I realize it's not the skeuomorphism that I miss, but my childhood and days when the world was much simpler.
Would I like to bring back skeuomorphic UIs? Yes.
I'm too old to be nostalgic for skeuomorphism. But a retina-burning amber monochrome monitor, text mode, with menus and UIs built out of ASCII graphics, or at best, 640 x 480 CPU-driven graphics modes? Now you're talking.
From my perspective, the skeuomorphic era of the early-late 2000s is still "modern".
Ha, you and me both buddy, although I like retina burning green :). Let me know what you think of my personal profile site: www.gradyp.com, made it just for the graybeard aesthetic.
How do I type something? There's a cursor but keyboard input doesn't work for me. You oughtta make it do some dummy commands for fun, or better yet, some real ones in a sandbox, that'd be neat, for fun user interactivity. Otherwise, looks slick. Good job.
Ya I feel you, I remember I had an iPod when I was a kid with the icons I think it was iOS 6. Now when I try to find skeuomorphic icon packs on Linux it is almost impossibile and the ones you do find are abandoned ☹️
I fucking love skeuomorphism !
Yeah, I do miss that, but idk how much of it is nostalgia and how much is an absolute aesthetic preference. I think the main reason for the change though is Microsoft trying to make Windows work well on mobile devices though, meaning forgoing the aero and more expensive VFX.
Wish some DEs would make their default style more like a win7 era style. Would be nice to have the variety.
No reason they wouldn't work on a small phone, especially back then
It is by no means just you. I really hate how everything has to be so flat and shadow-less nowadays. I'm not at the point of shaking my fist at clouds yet or anything, but I really miss skeuomorphism in general!
Way beyond fist shaking here. My brain simply doesn't process the trendy flat UX. It looks like when my kitchen garbage can tips over. A piece of carrot here, empty milk crate over there, sprinkled with onion peels, and some unidentified goop that I only discover later in the evening, using my bare feet, while getting a cup of water...
What's weird though is that I similarly hate the circle android icons. They all kinda blend together like a bowl of skittles. Make them squircle though... instantly recognizable!
I've only used OneUI, on other skins can you not make it that shape?
I've been using LawnChair, and they've dropped the feature for some time. I think it was being re-written from scratch. It just got back in the last month or so.
It was removed in Android 12
I am a papirus man
For those who haven’t seen snl’s papyrus skit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ
Or papyrus 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8PdffUfoF0
A couple of the best sketches SNL has ever done
Hey, that's the icon set I use in KDE! And yes i'd sell my kidneys to bring back skeumorphism and aero
I don't know if you'd call that skeuomorphism, and we have icons that are similar.
I'm not sure what you would call the opposite of 'flat' in terms of these designs, but I think that's what you're referring to.
God, no!
Though these do look pretty, they don't look like the buttons in Windows 95/XP and maybe that's a good thing.
I liked the soft gradient XP icons, though maybe that's just the nostalgia talking
Personally I don't, I kinda hate old skeuomorphism 😅
Neo skeuomorphism has some neat novelty though.
Edit: this is just my personal aesthetic preference, I don't begrudge anyone their love of skeuomorphism, or nostalgia for it.
I think I’m in the same place. I really like the idea of icons having depth. Modern icons are very versatile, but lack personality. Having some depth gives them some weight, but never really liked the emphasis on curves and gradients. I think a mix of original Material design and just a hint more depth would be the perfect sweet spot.
I'm curious how you feel about the GNOME application icons, they sound like they might be up your alley
Right now I generally have a preference for either weird stylized themed stuff I make myself, or very flat stuff like what android currently does for app icons, but I can certainly see the appeal of other stuff :)
I really like the application icons used in Gnome but I really like the consistent line weights and geometry of material symbolic icons so I'm still using a material icon pack on gnome
Edit: Here's a picture I grabbed of icons done in the adwaita style Gnome uses in case you don't use linux and aren't familiar with them. Its not a full sampling, but you get the idea :)
Take these icons, add one more layer of simple gradient shading: perfection
For example, GIMP’s icon looks especially bad here to me. If it had just a hint of black shading, it would look massively better (imho).
Interesting, thanks for sharing your perspective with me! ☺️
Any time! I’m a graphic nerd with none of the book learning, but I do work at a screen printing shop, so I have some intuitive understanding of logo/icon design, but don’t have the theory to go with it.
In other words, I have wildly subjective opinions that I’ll randomly dig my heels in on. (Sometimes when I have no idea what I’m talking about ha!)
This is the first time Ive ever seen those vowels together
Quick info, the link does not work.
You need to put it in the address part aswell (like this [https://github.com/madmaxms/iconpack-obsidian](https://github.com/madmaxms/iconpack-obsidian)
Here is a working one https://github.com/madmaxms/iconpack-obsidian
Okay thanks never made a post with a link
Kinda, yeah! These kinda remind me of some of the icon packs I used on my jailbroken iPod Touch!
My primary icon theme and widget style are 20+ years old and not flat in the least. You can still have that look and feel on a real computer if you want it (but you may have to compromise elsewhere or do some extra work). On phones, all bets are off.
Dunno what your issue with that icon pack is, but I'd bet there's a good chance it can be solved with a few file renames or symlinks if you care enough to bother.
I miss the KDE 3.x crystal theme
I like how tidy it is. But I do prefer to be able to see icon shapes at a glance with my terrible eyesight as it helps identify.
No. Old UI is terrible. The newest UI with extremely rounded corners is bad too but I'd much rather use it than old stuff.
How about flat, easy to recognise icons and straight, square windows and app designs?
Brutalism for your DE!
Another thing that's needed is icon labels or alternative text. Apps like LibreOffice suffer from icon-heavy UI which is hard to understand and remember for new users and even for me without any explanations.
i actually hate icons with like shading or 3d look. but I don't really use icons anyway, the only icons i see are in my system tray and when i run wofi
I miss being able to use bitmapped fonts back in the Gnome 1.x days.
Yeah, I don't understand flatness either. Neither I understand the dark themes either. My eyes and brain simply can't do the separation easily, I spend more time trying to process an image. Old style icons and UI colors are the best IMHO.
I do miss them. But I'm happy with my custom Suru++ Aspromauros
icons too.
The thing I'm more nostalgic for was the time when everything had to be a glistening amorphous translucent blob, a bit like the Cingular Wireless logo or the MusicMatch Jukebox logo. And I'm in that era where you can just play MSN messenger sounds and you'll get an OH MY GOD out of me.
Frutiger Aero, I think.
I miss the Vista tingle and shine, and the sounds it had
It seems Nintendo's consoles (Wii, DS, 3DS) were also more colourful and packed with music and sound then.
The Switch is so quiet. So... Dead?
Actually no, I hated the Vista era UI design. Linux themes were positively garish, add MacOS looked like a candy store. CDE greatly impressed me back then. It looked like it was made by adults for adults. Highly legible, and the pastel colors are being emulated by Solarized.
I'm sure that those UIs were a product of the times. The 90's and noughties were loud and colorful and exciting and everything looked like a comic. Now that we live in more depressing times, we can look to the science of perceptual psychology.
You see, we have an attention budget, we need to process what we see. Visually complex UIs need to be parsed, and that takes mental effort, and that robs us of mental energy to focus on our work. It's not a crippling effect, but it's there.
Look at street signs and corporate logos, they easily lodge in our mind. Effective advertising has a clear and simple visual language, and this is what UIs should strive for.
Effective advertising has a clear and simple visual language, and this is what UIs should strive for.
Interfaces can be needlessly complex regardless of being flat or skeuomorphic.
But flat interfaces still require mental effort to parse. Especially when the interface is complex and/or crowded and you're trying to pick out active UI elements amongst decorations like group boxes/panels.
Essentially, flat interfaces are currently popular because of touchscreen devices. Touchscreen devices have limited space and thus need simplistic UI elements that can be prodded by a fat finger on a small screen.
But I don't need a flat touchscreen-friendly interface on my non-touch dual 24" monitors with acres of screen real estate. I need an interface that nicely separates usable UI elements from the rest of the application window. That means 3D hints on a 2D screen, which allows my monkey-brain with five million years of evolved 3D vision the opportunity to run my "click the button" mental command as a background process.
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