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Bernie Sanders criticizes the Democratic Party for neglecting the working class, leading to their recent election losses.

He highlights issues like economic inequality, job displacement, healthcare costs, and foreign policy as key concerns for the American people.

Sanders questions whether the Democratic leadership will address these issues or remain beholden to big money interests.

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[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 239 points 2 weeks ago

He's 100% correct. This failure is a failure of the DNC to actually pay attention to what the voters want.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 109 points 2 weeks ago

This election, like every failed election effort since 2000, was a referendum on the democratic party platform: neoliberal business as usual for the top 15% sprinkled with "we're not Republicans"

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 49 points 2 weeks ago

“we’re not Republicans”

Trust us, we are different. Oh how specifically are we different? What a great question, is it not the best part of this nation to be able to ask such things. Anyway, as I was saying....

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago

I hate how accurate this shit is

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[-] ytsedude@lemmy.world 129 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The only focused Democratic message for the past 8+ years has been, "We need to stop Trump," which I agree with, but without Trump, I can't think of a single, unified message. That's not enough to get the general population fired up and excited to vote for Dems. One thing that made Obama so popular was he had specific goals and gave people hope.

Trump, in the meantime, has been feeding people all sorts of promises and hopes and dreams. They're all terrible and full of shit, but that is a more powerful message than just, "We need to stop Harris."

[-] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago

I'm also legitimately convinced that the average American person is just an asshole and likes other assholes. Trump is the most conceited, whiney, cry baby, know it all, jagoff and everybody knows it. He wears it like a medal. And people love it man. They just eat it up.

It's just like Carlin said. The politicians come from us. Because they are us.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Trump is the most conceited, whiney, cry baby, know it all, jagoff and everybody knows it. He wears it like a medal. And people love it man. They just eat it up.

That's the thing. I'm sick of the media painting this as a "they're holding their noses and voting" thing. This dude doesn't win despite his vulger rallies and his racist, sexist, homophobic, crazy, whiney, criminal, and arrogant behavior... He wins because of that shit.

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[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You know what does excite the dems though? And also the republicans?

Actual progressive policies…..

As close as this election was, if Bernie betrayed the Democratic Party and ran as an independent in 2016, do you think he would have won

I do

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[-] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 92 points 2 weeks ago

Man, if he'd form a populist left party and stop caucusing with the Dems, he might get a lot of enthusiastic support and candidates running locally soon

[-] Kit 48 points 2 weeks ago

Yes please. Channeling my energy towards this future.

[-] karl_chungus@lemm.ee 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We could also do this ourselves, if we could find a way to organize it.

I’m sure with enough attention he’d acknowledge, and maybe support it.

It may sound silly but what’s the alternative?

[-] Kit 18 points 2 weeks ago

I really think ranked choice voting is the answer here. It will open up the opportunity for third parties to actually gain traction.

[-] karl_chungus@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Me too but how are we going to get that changed before the next election?

Before ranked choice voting we need at least one party to rally around with a candidate that focuses on popular issues. Once we have someone in office that will commit to those issues we can then talk about these kinds of changes.

A good place to start would be at the state level since states run their own elections. For that all I can suggest is to get more actively involved in local politics than you ever have before.

Of course, that’s assuming we have another election.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Never underestimate the obstruction from establishment Democrats at every level of government. We passed a bill authorizing statewide use of ranked preference voting in CA and our neoliberal democrat governor Gavin Newsom vetoed it. I generally support his policies but this one was a flat out "fuck you" to everyone alienated by the neoliberal business as usual party that runs our state.

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[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

A third party, eh? Nah, he needs to take over the Democratic Party once and for all.

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 14 points 2 weeks ago

He had momentum, the DNC, also run by our oligarchs denied him of the opportunity.

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[-] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 78 points 2 weeks ago

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign? Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy, which has so much economic power?” Sanders asked.

”Probably not”

Bernie has been the Cassandra of the Democratic Party for decades. They need to realize that it has gone too far. The insane wealth gap, which has surpassed pre-Revolution France at this point, combined with the unaffordability of everything has created a crisis that won’t be fixed by platitudes and vague promises.

People are desperate, afraid, and angry. Changing that to hope and enthusiasm requires real plans that average voters can understand and even more than that requires correctly showing people the source of the problem.

Being beholden to billionaires is the real problem. And all their money, advertising, polling, and other bullshit didn’t do a damn thing to help Harris. Take them on the way FDR did or give the country to republicans permanently.

[-] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 19 points 2 weeks ago

The insane wealth gap, which has surpassed pre-Revolution France

Let that sink in

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 67 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The what party? America still has more than one political party?

Edit: I don't mean 'both parties are the same, you knuckleheads.' I mean there won't be a Democratic party by the next election. There won't be any parties but the Republican party.

[-] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

All I can do is hope that you're wrong

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 56 points 2 weeks ago

He's partially right.

Unfortunately, I think the bigger issue is that a majority of Americans are fascists or indifferent to fascism.

“But are there not many fascists in your country?"

"There are many who do not know they are fascists but will find it out when the times comes.”

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

majority of Americans are fascists or indifferent to fascism.

I'm not convinced of that at all. Here's what I see:

A large portion of ignorant uneducated and easily manipulatable people who don't even know what fascism is.

  • Large groups of religious people who focus on voting red because Christianity, their churches, pastors, and religious groups, and the abortion issue.

  • Actual bigots. There's a lot of them and they like the racism, anti gay, nationalism, deportation stuff. Want women subjugated.

  • Bullies, tough guys, "alpha male", and the "get money" crowd. There's a lot here too, and many in poor young black and Hispanic groups in addition to a lot of white males. Not necessarily bigots, but generally want women subjugated whether they know it or not (sex objects).

  • The large group of just vote red without thinking because it's what family and friend circles do and always have.

The above I think don't understand fascism at all. Not educated or informed enough.

Edit: I would say to be "indifferent to fascism" you have to actually understand what it is, and I don't think much of the maga crowd does. My opinion/speculation.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I also don't agree. You honestly have to discard a lot of public information to force yourself into this level of ignorance. For nine years he's told us he's a proud piece of shit. If they didn't listen for that long that's on them.

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[-] robocall@lemmy.world 51 points 2 weeks ago

The DNC needs to allow voters to elect who they actually want during the primary. We were force fed Hillary because the DNC didn't want Bernie. We didn't even have a primary because we were force fed Biden, then given Harris because Biden was so unelectable. The DNC must allow democratic process to take place so that voters elect the presidential candidate that they want.

[-] MonkRome@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

Democratic party aside, Bernie couldn't get the votes. I actually think the news media has been a much much bigger problem with someone like Bernie getting power. They always try to paint someone like him as being radical, when anywhere else in the world he would be a normal person on the left.

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[-] blazera@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago

Nah i dont think yall are willing to do it. 2028 you'll be holding your nose again voting for an out of touch moderate to oppose trumps third term instead of giving a progressive you completely agree with any kind of chance.

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago

Bernie is correct for the 100th time. But is little too late now. Unless Dems are serious about tackling working class issues. I don't see anything changing. Many people view the Dem party not for the average person anymore.

[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

The party is done. I switched to being a Independent. The machine is too big to change from the outside, and those that are the inside are blind to what is happening to regular people that would result in voters not showing up or just voting for a Fascist.

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[-] argarath@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder why Bernie and other progressives don't band together and announce their own party. With enough big names (especially Bernie) they could gather enough attention to be a viable third party that actually represents progressive and more left leaning ideas than the democrats. They have two years until the next local elections to get their foot on the race, I think they could get done traction if they actually go for that

[-] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Because they understand the spoiler effect.

[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

The Democrats have been spoiling elections plenty on their own

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

We already lost. The time is now to work on something new. Tuesday and the 60 days before it were shut up and vote. Today and the next 3.5 years are shout and organize.

[-] UselesslyBrisk@infosec.pub 18 points 2 weeks ago

Bernie is not nearly as popular as most on the internet echo chambers would have you believe.

The fact is this is now a money game. Grass roots campaings and parties are more disadvantaged than ever at being able to get their voice out to people, especially ones that arent perptually over connected to the internet and forums.

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[-] m_f@midwest.social 29 points 2 weeks ago

If he formed a new party with young, fresh faces, I'd vote for them regardless of how that affected whatever the DNC did. I feel like there's enough similar sentiment that he could force change in the DNC

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Finally. Everybody on Lemmy has been sucking donkey dick so hard. They’re not gonna save you. Need to start looking elsewhere or force their hand. RCV will help do that.

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[-] Astronauticaldb@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Yesterday and today feel like I'm reliving my mom's election loss back in 2016. I was too young then to understand the weight behind what was going on at the time, although I did at least understand why Trump seemed like a dumb candidate. Anyways, I distinctly remember how when it was obvious that Hillary lost, even though she won the popular vote, that something wasn't right. My mom was sobbing while looking for places to move into, since we were moving out anyways. Now, 8 years later, I'm having those exact same feelings as she did except with my boyfriend on my side, knowing very well that come January that if nothing happens, we could very well be one of his first targeted groups. I fucking hate this timeline, man.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I was in college and living with a bisexual Saudi friend at the time. I'm a straight white man, so I wasn't a target, but he absolutely was. I sat with him in the kitchen while we got drunk and he cried.

The good news is he made it through fine and I think is doing well today still in the US. It's going to suck, but most of us are probably going to survive this. Don't give up all hope. Build your community, organize, join mutual aid groups, and build what we need to take back power in the future.

They're going to try to take us backward, but make them take us kicking and screaming. Don't give up and let them have it for free.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 weeks ago

If you don't want to be crying again in 2028, start working now.

[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Some of us never quit. It's just annoying that everytime you bring up legit concerns its met with people defending the status quo. 2016 the status quo was drug to the town square and hung. I don't care if you pulled it down marionette it around, it's 2024 and a knife was stabbed through the heart of this country. Democrats still have the helm and they will do nothing, they will let it bleed out. All the power of the american government and they cannot weird it despite a lifetime working in it.

If democrats were even going to consider change they would spend their political capital, NOW. Since it is all gone come January.

Say I'm wrong and they can keep playing political footsy with NAZIs till the end of time, why, why, why, would anyone want that????

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[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

I hate to defend a major party, but it does feel like people expect Democrats to fix all the nation's problems when they have utterly no power to do so.

The reality is most Americans are not with Bernie on the things he's talking about. The average American has been heavily propagandized by the corporate media (not just news media, all of it) to love corporate stuff. Capitalism good, socialism bad, cheap gas good, electric stoves bad. Go to most Americans in the rust belt, that's how they think.

If Democrats are supposed to skip to the part where they implement policies that no one currently supports outside of liberal intellectual circles with all the power they supposedly have, that's skipping to the end. What's Bernie's solution for getting people outside of Vermont on his side to begin with?

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[-] Intergalactic@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

He’s right. It is time to take back the Democratic Party.

[-] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago

I like your spirit but the Democratic brand and party are entirely dead. Someone will have to start a new progressive party (which will be coopted by capitalism as soon as it shows promise)

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[-] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago

This is an inaccurate claim by Sanders. Biden was the first President to walk a picket line with striking workers.

With union negotiations, he was pretty balanced. He did come down on the railroad strikes some after both sides got stuck, but they did get improvements beyond what management wanted to give. With the ports, though, he stuck with the workers and forced management to negotiate by refusing to override the strike.

Could the Democrats do more? Sure. But they're still recovering from the fever that took the party over with Clinton in '92. There are a lot of people who believe that win was a meaningful approval of the pro corporate but not racist Democratic Party platform, when in reality Clinton only won thanks to Perot.

I don't know that there was any magic messaging that Harris could've deployed this time around. I'm not sure there was any likely alternative even from a short post-Biden primary that could've done better than her.

Trump has everyone thinking he has some magic way to boost salaries and lower prices. And he railed against the elites more stridently and apparently people believed him.

On the other hand Google saw a lot of traffic with people asking if Biden dropped out so who knows what could have been done to avoid Trump 2.

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