My takeaway was indeed that the Jedi of old weren't the good guys, although they still believed they were.

The jedi not being strictly all that "good" isn't all that new and I definitely would've liked to see that explored more, as well as more "neutral" force users, or even something from the perspective of the dark side too. I also don't think this show was as bad as the review bombing made it out to be and on YT you kept just seeing the same rage baiting bigots too but it definitely missed the mark in many areas, despite having some good moments too. Still, a lot of the hate definitely came from the fact that we had a black female main character and some lesbian force witches. That's pretty hard to ignore with how loud those people are.

I still want more something like Andor though. That was still the best Star Wars I've ever seen.

It's ok to kill people sometimes as long as you're pretty sure they messed up your life?

You could say the OG had the message that it's okay to become a terrorist if the government kills your aunt and uncle.

The 'anti-woke' stuff is so frustrating. As soon as some youtube grifter labels something as 'woke' and their followers start review bombing, it frames all subsequent criticism of a thing: Mainstream outlets are wary of the association, so are kinder to a show that it deserves (which then brings their credibility into question for some people); Star Wars nerds who like anything in the universe start dismissing valid criticism because they assume it's been made in bad faith (because 'anti-woke' sorts don't always make themselves so obvious and do highjack legitimate concerns); and anyone trying to genuinely point out faults has to preface everything with where they're coming from (which can get tedious if nothing else).

Anyway: I don't have particularly strong opinions about the show but what I disliked about it was that it reminded me of 'Secret Invasion' and what I saw of 'Echo': it suggests that Disney don't want to do the traditional 'Andor' style of making television, and instead keep with the process of: write + shoot + re-write + reshoot ... This rarely works, and ends up with a show that has inconsistent characters ('Yord' changes personality about 5 times), inconsistent quality (since sets used for reshoots are typically smaller and less dressed), and inconsistent tone (people liked episode 5, but I'd argue that neck-snaps are too violent compared to the vibe of other episodes, which often seemed aimed at young children).

Also, there needs to be a moratorium of any characters saying they have a 'bad feeling about this' (if anyone says anything like this is S2 of Andor I'll be devasted)

I agree. I frankly think the show was quite bad in terms of tone, cinematography, and unfortunately acting. It all felt kinda cheap and poorly planned to me. I say this as someone has genuinely enjoyed all of the other Star Wars shows (yep, even Obi-Wan). But I also found it interesting and really enjoyed the fight scenes and the new yet familiar setting. Regardless of my opinion of the technical side of the production, I absolutely would have watched another season to see where the story was headed.

In terms of dislike Ryan George does a good job, https://youtu.be/PqwEE6G6zaU

But in more detail there are a lot of decisions made by characters that are fun in the moment, but don't really make sense.

The twins are angry at Sol because he killed their mother, but Sol doesn't clarify that she was turning into a shadow monster?

Osha was a bad Jedi, fell out of the order, but then switches to dark side real quick and kills Sol.

We have to leave your sister behind and mind wipe her because there is no room in the ship? Also the mind wipe is clearly just a "we need a reason to stretch the story" move and if they had made a season 2 would have been undone quickly.

Why did the beaver man mess with the ship? He stopped Sol, but was also an ally?

I'm sure there are more but in general this show just didn't really tell a story I'm interested in.

Don't get me wrong it has some great things I want to know more about. The era of Star Wars is fun to explore and new. Space witches and how they compare (or are?) to the night sisters and their magic/force use. Possessing a Jedi. New Dark side users and origins.

The interesting story to me was/is Qimir, so I hope we can pick that character up again.

To echo @gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works again, the downvotes came on so fast for what was just two random people’s earnest opinions. Tell everyone what you think about the show, let’s talk! I know I shouldn’t take the votes personally, but it doesn’t feel great when it’s just my honest opinion about a tv show.

I watched all of it and as some others have said I think there was a great story in there somewhere but it was just buried under a mountain of bad writing, crappy gimmicks, and terrible continuity.

I enjoyed elements of the story enough that I was willing to give a second season a chance, but I'm honestly not surprised it was cancelled.

The anti-woke stuff was shitty and definitely didn't help but I don't think that alone would have caused Disney to cancel a series if they really believed it could be successful

Pretty sure andor season 2 is under production.

The producers once alluded that they were being review bombed by conservatives for the acolyte being too woke. Now, that might be true, but, the show also sucked in more than one way, which means there was no one to push back the reviews.

The fight choreography drew me in and then that all went out the window in Ep. 3.

Only if you commit to ignoring the source material.

I was excited for it but stopped halfway through episode 3. They should have started with episode 3, left things unclear then start off with episode 1.

I honestly didn't feel any sort of connection with any of the characters. I felt bad for Sol. He got peer pressured by a bunch of Jedi buttheads.

I'd rather have more episodes of Boba Fett than The Acolyte.

The "anti-woke" (or whatever they call themselves) hate is absolutely ridiculous, and anyone who takes it seriously is an idiot.

That being said though... The show was just bad. Nonsensical or missing character motivations, a thin excuse for a plot, and a huge disappointment compared to what it could have been.

I really hope the reactionary hatred didn't factor into the cancellation, or at the very least that Disney doesn't take away from this that they should hire fewer women and people of color. I hope they take away to invest more into better writing.

More like, show's dogshit

You can't handwave a show that's written as badly to botch the golden premise that show had

I mean a fucking Jedi killer? How the hell do you hire writers that bad to botch this?

I've been a Star Wars fan since '77 and wanted to like it, couldn't make it past Ep. 3.

I dunno. Leave it be hopefully. The show just looked really cheap. Their clothes looked like costumes instead of actual clothes. Not to mention how poor the makeup was for everyone.

Maybe I just prefer quality over quantity.

They can still do something with them. They did nothing in the show.

I don't think this cancelation kicks off the problem of dilution of Star Wars brand identity. I think that problem has been happening for a while with the scattershot releases of movies and shows without the promised cohesion. There doesn't seem to be a vision from high up of what Star Wars should look like, or where it should be going with the setting.

It is possible that a lot of people simply didn't like the show. I personally struggled to get through it. Some people have external social/political axes that they bring to grind and use Star Wars as a veneer, but painting every opposing opinion as that is putting words in the mouths of a lot of people. Star Wars fans really need to stop knifefighting eachother and accept that fans with differing opinions exist.