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[-] Beacon@fedia.io 156 points 3 months ago

Saying Jews are awesome is not a valid statement, because just like every group some of them are awesome, some are neutral, and some are awful. It should say something like "Jews are regular people"

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 140 points 3 months ago

Replace it with two lines:

JEWS ARE PEOPLE
PALESTINIANS ARE ALSO PEOPLE

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 20 points 3 months ago

That's not what "valid" means. This is an opinion, so you don't get to declare it invalid. You are free to disagree, though.

[-] reka@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

if you can say "Humans are awesome", which you can whilst everyone knows the caveats to that, you can say Jews are awesome.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

"Jews are like everybody else"

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[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 78 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Ok, now do one for the Uyghurs.

Edit: 23 people down voted so 23 people ITT support genocide.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 months ago

Did you just pop in here with "All genocides matter"?

[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They dont?

Edit: No answer? Just curious, what criteria are we using to pick the Genocide we are hot about?

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[-] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 months ago

That genocide doesn’t matter for…reasons.

[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's not that it doesn't matter. It's just were not going to talk about it because there is a sexier genocide in our favorite conflict torn region.

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[-] anas@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Nobody is stopping you from doing it.

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[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 12 points 3 months ago

What should we be doing about the Uyghur genocide? What are you doing about it?

[-] Homescool@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

What should we do about whataboutism? It seems to be a popular alternative to engagement.

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[-] lugal@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I would upvote without the last sentence. The Holocaust was a singular event as there have been many singular events, and none repeated itself, neither as tragedy nor as farce, but some of them rhyme

[-] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It is extremely dangerous and part of both the new Nazis and Zionist playbook to designate the Holocaust as a "singular event", implying that there was no genocide of similar scope before, or there could be after it.

Looking for example how Britain systematically stared more than 10 million people to death in India, the Holocaust isn't even the worst genocide in terms of absolute numbers.

In particular in Germany this "singularity" trope is heavily used as propaganda, of how Germany has learned from its history, when it didn't. New authoritarian measures? Cannot be compared because how dare you compare it to the rise of fascism, that lead to the one and only Holocaust?! Deliberate ramping up of racist rethoric accompanied by more violent hate crime? It is not the Holocaust so why are you saying it feels like the late 20s again?!

And of course subsequently: How dare you say Gaza is a concentration camp?! How can you imply any similarity between Israel and the Nazis?! You evil antisemite! Oh you are a renowned Jewish scholar that studied the Holocaust? Your parents have barely survived the concentration camps? Well you are against Israel so you are "alledgedly Jewish" or how about "self hating Jew"?

This is the actual discourse in Germany. Jews not aligned with Zionism are heavily targeted by Politicians and state bureaucrats in a heavily antisemitic manner. And this "Holocaust is singular" argumentation is part of it.

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-strange-logic-of-germanys-antisemitism-bureaucrats

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Not fond of meaningless arguments about definitions designed to derail a discussion.

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[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 46 points 3 months ago

If we're talking death cults can we include Islam and Christianity?

[-] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

Absolutely, some of them are the staunchest Zionists

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[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago
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[-] suction@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

Yeah this nicely summarises the level of understanding of American internet teenagers about the Middle East.

[-] ToastedPlanet 11 points 3 months ago

I would hope at least this much, but ideally more. It probably depends on the American teenager though.

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[-] Bunnylux@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

Lol and that's why it's bullshit, because nothing is "super simple", you bunch of terminally online twats. You wouldn't know nuance if it reached out of your Instagram post and slapped you in the face. Go ahead, tell me to eat glass like last time.

[-] PedroG14@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago

eat glass pweeease owo

[-] primrosepathspeedrun@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

everything is complicated, it's true. drinking water is super complicated. if you try to just drink straight h20 you will strip your body of electrolytes and shit will become very unpleasant. don't get me started on colors. we don't even know what colors ARE.

but there are subjects where the simple understanding is EXTREMELY functional, and will rarely lead you TOO far astray. like 'drink water, preferably clean water'. if you dont do this you die.

similarly: genocide bad. rape bad. rapists bad. genocideers bad. if you don't do this, LOTS of people die, and its partially on you.

yes, there is a more complex nuanced understanding (which IMO makes the palestinians look better and the zionists look orders of magnitude worse than the nation of shiro ishi clones they appear to be from the surface), but the simple one effectively functions for nearly any intent or purpose, and if you're not doing therapy for a palestinian person, or trying to decide what treatment would be appropriate for a zionist if it was capable of just stopping/surrendering (which it is not, there's only one way to stop this after letting it get this far, and we should do it before more innocents die), you really don't need more than the simplest "genocide bad, rape bad, murdering children bad" that a literal child could understand.

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[-] giantfloppycock@lemm.ee 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

In what way is the holocaust happening again? That’s a pretty strong claim.

Edit: This came across wrong. I did not mean to downplay the mass murdering that is happening in Gaza and other places in the world right now.

[-] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 66 points 3 months ago

About 40k Palestinians have been killed by Israel so far. These people are stateless and not allowed to leave, have limited access to food and water, and have no hope of ever fighting back or escaping. That includes the innocent children who represent a huge fraction of the victims. It certainly draws parallels to the Holocaust, if nothing else, though the scale and motivations are different.

[-] giantfloppycock@lemm.ee 15 points 3 months ago

Good points.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

That we know about. That made it to a place the bodies could be counted. Nobody has peeked into the rubble in most places yet.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

There's still those concentration camps in China that we've All just accepted as a normal part of life now

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[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 23 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I would absolutely expect someone with a sign of this style to call every single instance of genocide "The Holocaust". That's precisely the level of historical literacy I'm used to seeing from middle-class weirdos who buy these things.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

I'd hang that on my house!

[-] Woht24@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

The holocaust is happening again at the hands of the first victims?

[-] Hackworth@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Tale as old as time.

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Let's add: "Jihadism is dangerous"

"Hamas is a terrorist organisation"

"Innocent should not die no matter if they were born in Tel Aviv or in Gaza"

"7 of October of 2023 was a terrorist attack"

"Situation in a conflict zone where both sides has been killing each other for decades is not simple and has no simple solution"

"Blindly supporting muyahidins, I mean, intifada, has not a good historic record"

"A Hamas led Palestine would be very similar to any other Islamic dictatorship, which is not good for Palestinians, specially women and LGBT"

Under any circumstances innocents should die, and anyone (ANYONE) killing civilians is a piece of shit. But the fact that Israel government is a Piece of Shit does not mean that Hamas is not also a Piece of Shit. Some people seems to forget that when it comes to codemn the cruelties inflicted in that region.

[-] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago

“Situation in a conflict zone where both sides has been killing each other for decades is not simple and has no simple solution”

It is not a "conflict zone" and it is not "complicated". It is classical settler colonialism with the inevitable goal of ethnically cleansing and genociding the native population. By this logic the Nazi "Lebensraum" ideology of invading Poland, systematically murdering not only Jews and other minorities, but death-Squadding entire villages to then settler their own people on the land would somehow be "complicated".

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago
[-] mlg@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Palestine will be free

One can hope

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