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[-] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 204 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

So, wait, Mocrosoft is finally giving us a way to fully-disable automatic Windows Updates?

/s

[-] brakebreaker101@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

That's how I read it!

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 117 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Full list from this comment on another thread: https://lemmy.ca/comment/8470544

ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM)

EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application)

ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2

iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2

RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2

StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2

Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft)

MergeSdb (Microsoft)

Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel)

Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys)

Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)

[-] ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 87 points 7 months ago

They won't give you updates if you have radeon software or intel config tool?

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[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 17 points 7 months ago

Will it stop asking me to upgrade every month if I have one of these installed? I might need to get one just for that.

[-] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 months ago

Hmm, interesting, do these all have explorer integrations? I know even a couple year's old SolidWorks PDM does not work with Windows 11 because of the way it integrates with Windows explorer. a couple of the other apps there modify/integrate into explorer as well.

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[-] HelloHotel@lemmy.world 70 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This stops Windows 11 from blocking the installation and lets you get the app back onto your PC. We're not sure if Microsoft has fixed this trick, but it's worth a shot if you want to keep using your favorite apps.

That's mildly distopian.

This prevents your car from shutting itself off when trying visit certain areas on the map. We're not sure if car manufacturers have fixed this trick, but it's worth a shot if you want to keep going to your favorite places.

And only a little tiny bit adversarial.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This is what ive been saying about windows vs Linux for years.

Linux isnt necessarily easy, but its collaborative and everybody's on the same side.

Windows is PvP, and now I'm seeing fucking Hangul characters in chat, and I'm afraid. I don't even use it anymore.

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 51 points 7 months ago

Wouldn't it be nice if you could just keep using Windows 10 forever, and get security updates for free?

[-] EarMaster@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

For reference: Debian 6 which was the current release of Debian at the time Windows 10 was released hasn't received official security patches 2016, CentOS 6.6 stopped receiving them 2022. Mac OS X Yosemite latest update was released 2017...

[-] Krzd@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

Yeah and? Debian is free, you can just upgrade to the newer version without paying a thing.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 28 points 7 months ago

And upgrades tend to be pretty stable. You can still use whatever UX you were used to before, since packages tend to stick around quite a bit.

The issue with Win 11 is that it drastically changes hardware requirements and UX. That's not an issue for Debian.

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[-] cilmor@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Windows 10 was released on July 29, 2015, Debian 8 was released on 26 April 2015, 3 months earlier. And you are comparing it with Debian 6, released 4 years earlier? Debian 8 extended long term support reaches end-of-life 30 June 2025.

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[-] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 18 points 7 months ago

It's comparing apples to oranges, that said, the current version of Debian is much closer to the UX of Debian 6 than windows 11 is to windows 10

If the point of windows is you're paying for an operating system and should then have better support than a free alternative, they should be able to push security updates, especially if they're already committed to ensuring old windows app can still run inside new windows

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[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 16 points 7 months ago

windows 10 was meant to be the last version of windows, its a bit disingenuous to compare the two that way

[-] jose1324@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Ughh i hate reading this hoax. W10 was never the last version of windows. It's a paraphrased report of one engineer at Microsoft that said that, but it was never in any official capacity confirmed

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The Verge asked a rep at Microsoft, and this is what they said:

When I reached out to Microsoft about Nixon's comments, the company didn't dismiss them at all. "Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers," says a Microsoft spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. "We aren’t speaking to future branding at this time, but customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations."

So they didn't rule out branding changes, but the changes to Win 11 seem like a pretty big change from Win 10, which seems to go against the "Windows will be delivered as a service" statement. So it's not just that one engineer, but probably a broader push (that may have been delayed or scrapped) to push gradual updates consistently instead of larger, periodic updates. I'm no expert, but I didn't really see much difference in how Win 10 was released vs previous versions (e.g. XP, 7, and 10 all had service packs).

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[-] Australis13@fedia.io 49 points 7 months ago

I was already dubious about upgrading from 10 to 11 and this is final straw. I will have to look at Linux options and see if my Windows-only programs will run effectively under WINE.

[-] whostosay@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

I'm fucking out. I do a lot of basic IT work, including many fresh installs and new domain users, and I am so godamn sick of having to go through 5 dialogues every single time I open edge. For the local account. Then the domain admin account. Then the domain user account. Fuck this company.

As soon as I can afford to get an AMD GPU or do a swap with someone for my 1070, I'm gone. I used to love computers, but dealing with windows even on a home PC with no "problems", it just feels like more work.

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 13 points 7 months ago

You can do it with an Nvidia GPU too, you don't have to switch cards. I'm not sure where this idea comes from, that Nvidia doesn't work on Linux, 50-60% of users are on Nvidia according to Steam.

[-] Whayle@kbin.social 10 points 7 months ago

It's because out of the box there's often issues. For example, my setup with a 3080 booted to a black screen at login. Only futzing in the command prompt via grub let me install the correct driver, and it's been fine ever since then.

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[-] Landless2029@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

You can disable or streamline that stuff with either group policy or registry keys.

I used to do the same work (several years ago) and I started researching fixes and writing scripts to speed up my work.

Make a to do list of what your computer setup process is. Figure out the earliest you can launch a script (netshare or usb). Then start writing scripts for your tasks.

Installing apps, file transfers and system configs.

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[-] elshandra@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

If they're games, protondb (.com) will tell you how well you can expect them to run. Other stuff, it's often a case of search the web or try and see. Wine takes some getting used to, you'll probably have to get your hands dirty and do a little learning.

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[-] shalva97@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

In the article all apps mentioned are very old versions. I just don't understand, how exactly this was a final straw for you?

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[-] sab@kbin.social 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm sure you're aware of it already, but WineHQ provides a good overview over which software runs well under WINE. :)

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[-] Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 7 months ago

Glad they have time to call out everyone else’s problems, yet Microsoft still can’t fix their broken jan win 10 update.

[-] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

Is that the one where MS updated the recovery partition by including a file that's too big for that default partition? I had to manually resize my recovery partition to fix that issue

[-] T156@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yes. Normally, the OS "fixes" this by making a second, bigger recovery partition, but that only works if you have the space for it.

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[-] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 41 points 7 months ago

Wow, imagine using a corporate owned operating system.

Laughs in Ubuntu

[-] ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works 19 points 7 months ago

laughs in another corporate OS?

[-] lnxtx@feddit.nl 14 points 7 months ago
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[-] mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago

Imagine not being able to upgrade your Linux because you have modified YOUR system to suit YOUR needs. Fuck them...

[-] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

But if those modifications were known to cause the system to brick after you update, wouldn't it be really nice if it stopped you from doing it?
And not just "yeah we know having done x will cause a bootloop after update, if you don't know to uninstall/fix it it first, too bad."

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[-] cookie_sabotage@sh.itjust.works 22 points 7 months ago

I feel bad for Windows users, they just can't catch a break can they?

[-] style99@kbin.social 18 points 7 months ago

It was already bad enough that we're stuck trying to use a trash OS to run our games and soul-sucking corporate crap, but now we have to ditch our customization tools to get updates that we need?

Thank goodness I mostly just use Linux.

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[-] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What apps and links please? Just so I know what not to download.

::: (Yes I know its in the article...) :::

[-] NixDev@programming.dev 14 points 7 months ago
ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM)

EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application)

ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2

iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2

RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2

StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2

Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft)

MergeSdb (Microsoft)

Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel)

Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys)

Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)
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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago

Havent updated my v10 for 3+ years and dont plan to

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago
[-] db2@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

It looks like they break Microsoft's update mechanism somehow, and Microsoft won't work around it. If it's because they'd have to make special cases just for one app I get it, but it doesn't seem like that's what's happening.

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[-] XenGi@lemmy.chaos.berlin 13 points 7 months ago

Why are people still using Windows? Seems to me that the pain to use it is still not big enough. I welcome every move that increases the pain and drives people to better options.

[-] NedPool@eviltoast.org 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

My job includes programming devices from manufacturers that only write their software for Windows. There are entire industries that are blind to anything but Windows due to lock-in from one or more manufacturers of devices needed for daily operations.

Some consumer products are similarly locked-in due to supporting software. There may be alternatives for common tools, but device-specific things simply won't work on Linux, 90% of the time. Sure, we can request the manufacturer support Linux in some way, but good luck getting any response let alone a working port.

Edit: Yes, it may be becoming more painful to use Windows, but until it's less painful to take the Linux path for viable alternatives, nothing will change.

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[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Well, I have two of those. I guess I'll just go fuck myself than, huh?

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 10 points 7 months ago

DeskModder noted that it wasn't as simple as blocking an app based entirely on its name; for example, while VLC is listed in the big list of services and apps that are disallowed, it's specifically listing a Windows 7 version of VLC.

Sounds like Windows has a problem with really old versions only. I guess you should be fine as long as you keep your apps relatively fresh.

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[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 7 points 7 months ago

WUMT was good to me.

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